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good morning

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to everybody out there

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didn't think we would have this day so

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soon

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in fact

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somebody i spoke to earlier in the year

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said they did not expect hearings this

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year

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and um i kind of thought they were right

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but i was wrong

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and i'm glad to be wrong

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and i'm gonna try to pull up hopefully

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the page pulls up well here if not i

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obviously have you should have the

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youtube page open

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since 1963 this is the first time for

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hearings sorry just get my stuff

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together

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share i'm not going to be as polished

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i'm sure there's some very polished live

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streams going on right now but let me

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so there it is let me get it full screen

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well there's no full screen yet

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what's up paul

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hi pro illusionist

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i have and as far as i'm not going to

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make any predictions i know people

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and i don't know what questions are

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going to be asked one of the good

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questions i thought

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um

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you know they've blacked out the the

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shapes of ufos and some of the documents

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that have come out

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the person who is responsible for

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is not motri it is the other gentleman

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which i am drawing a blank on which we

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will see hopefully so hopefully they ask

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him the question

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why are why are the shapes of these

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the only reason i could think of which

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they may say is well since we don't know

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what these objects are to be careful

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we're going to just

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you know just to be safe just in case

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it's a black project we'll we'll black

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um you welcome julene i'm glad to do

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this

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point

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i couldn't care less we're up we're here

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we have no idea what to expect i mean

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if you read brian bender's article

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yesterday he talked about possibly um

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you know giving folks a reason to speak

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out folks in these programs and

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of course the first thing

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i think of is

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amnesty as a possibility i don't know

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what else else they can offer them to to

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get them to come forward

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good morning kick rocks

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thanks for being here

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um

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one of the things i said last night is

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and and bender spoke about this in his

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article they could have these folks and

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one of the things i've i forgot about it

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last night one of the things i've been

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complaining about is

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just because something is classified

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should not prevent a congressman or

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senator from coming out and saying

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listen i watched this video and this

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object was making a 90 degree turn or

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whatever whatever they saw

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they should be able to talk about that

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and in bender's article that's he's

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suggesting that that may happen with

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folks who are in these programs who have

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seen some amazing data that they they

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can't show you the data at this point

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which i think is

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but they can talk about it and for now

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that would be okay obviously we want to

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see videos that's videos are the most

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important thing with audio you know from

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the pilots somebody talking about it

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say three people saw it and they came up

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in front of congress and they described

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it that would be great

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but that's not enough

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and we know we all want to see the 23

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minute video and whatever else what

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other whatever other video they have and

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believe there is amazing video out there

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and evidence we haven't seen it so

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and i understand that side when people

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get frustrated and they finally give up

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and they become

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i've seen people become debunkers

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because they're like nothing is coming

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forward nothing is happening

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i i understand so that's let's see what

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happens in the next year or so if we

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don't get any video it's going to be

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very frustrating

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and ufo jesus ryan post-disclosure uh

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world

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he suggests you know eventually

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eventually we're gonna have to say you

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know there's no if nothing comes out

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they'll there's no they don't have

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anything but i don't think that's the

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let's see what happens we have to have

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something new in the next year something

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that really catches the attention

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of the general population which we

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really don't have i mean they know about

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this and they're going to hear about it

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you know what i'm talking about there

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are there there are round tables on

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other live streams that should be taking

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place on abc and nbc and they should be

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talking about you know they should be

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showing the hearing room live but

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they're not doing that we're doing that

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once you see that happening then you'll

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see we're making my opinion we're making

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progress and if you have any questions

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beforehand like i said i don't know

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what's going to happen

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uh hopefully the stream works here and

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you guys will be able to hear it okay

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i should just make sure i have audio

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with the stream one second

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yep audio's there so

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let's hope everything works i was i was

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trying it last night and it was it was

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hiccuping a little bit

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gonna be six o'clock here in vegas and

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it's hot

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it's a little prematurely hot for this

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time of the year

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you have to hear a discussion how

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everyone having phone cameras why there

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isn't more spectacular video yeah that's

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been discussed by plenty of people um i

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big-time skeptic it might have been neil

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degrasse tyson who this morning

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is in his rare form uh talking about

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his tweet from this morning

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i don't want to get off of that page

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i'll tell you i'll read what neil

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that if space aliens were actively

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visiting earth from across the galaxy we

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first of all we don't know if they're

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second of all you're assuming they want

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to be known big assumption as far as

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you know phones and everything well that

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if you believe the five observables one

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of them is you know low observability

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they're not really easy to capture um

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from what i've heard you know we have

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some amazing stuff our satellites pick

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up stuff other countries great let's i

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do want to see it

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if we don't see it the next year i think

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you will have a major pushback from

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people in this in this field

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we're here now we have hearings there's

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no reason why they can't start releasing

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you're welcome greg

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julian did they submit questions to the

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two officials i don't know if they did

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or not i hope not i don't i mean unless

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there's some stuff that they needed

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research on before they could answer

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i want them and somebody last night

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if i thought crash retrievals were going

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but i do think there may be a question

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about crash retrievals but these are not

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that are going to give us those answers

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if that ever happens we first need to

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get amnesty and then folks who have

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speak and not worry about any security

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clearances if they could speak saying

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you know a couple of them say yeah we

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have a we have an intact craft from 1947

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i see no reason why they can't show

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pictures of it so

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we have a picture now we have a picture

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of the house permanent select committee

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on intelligence remember this is just

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the house you know the senate

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the senate is really what we want no

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offense to the house but you know you

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all of those folks in the senate so

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and the chat is disabled for this live

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get ready for them to talk on the

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just zero creator i don't know what that

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it's a lot of things i don't know as i

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who i worked with on

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he was he brought up skinny bob to me

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somebody who's been in this field for a

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long time you would think i knew who

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skinny bob was i didn't

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now i'm like oh yeah skinny bob skinny

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he's the guy that uh

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he's the ai

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alien he looks ai to me if he's even if

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that's even real how the hell do i know

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i do not

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i'm not a video analyst even though i

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work in television

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you know

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ufo pancake unmute yourself oh there you

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are yeah you can unmute yourself we got

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three minutes if you want to say a word

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or two i don't know if you were prepared

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but you're there you just have to unmute

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yourself and i guess i have to put

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headphones on put the volume up um

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do you think they will admit to the

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i don't know

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i need to know what the that is i'm

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you guys should have your own own

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youtube stream going to because i don't

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know if this is gonna lag last night it

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i wonder if you can tell how many people

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are watching you should be able to on

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hundred right now that's okay

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i'm sure there are other places to watch

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i mean you would hope millions of people

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i'm not sure the system could handle

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that

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do you think there's a chance

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and i will i will remove beautiful

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pancake i don't think he's ready

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do you think there's a chance they will

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at least admit to the sightings not

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being foreign tech

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that's what our representatives need to

294
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push they need to say in your best

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professional judgment

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do you think some of these are russian

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or chinese

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and it'll be interesting to see what

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they say to that because

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i'm assuming they're going to say

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well we can't rule out anything

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you know

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if they say

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we have ruled out foreign tech i would

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think it would be the story

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of the week at the very least you never

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know what they're with our media

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sometimes they surprise us and they

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cover the hell out of something

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and then sometimes they

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ignore something like the gila brand

312
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amendment was all but ignored because

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nobody knows about that i ask people i'm

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like did you know we have a ufo office

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so yeah

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i don't know if they'll admit that

317
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and we have a countdown

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and folks who have called in

319
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you need to use chrome is one way to do

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it otherwise it will not come through

321
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you're not going to be able to use

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like safari

323
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you gotta try different browsers because

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in my error message it says device is

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not connected

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i'm gonna grab my

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i was gonna grab my phone i may

328
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disappear during the stream i'll be

329
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i mean there's really not much more to

330
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say i could speculate you know

331
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66 i think was the last time we had

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open hearings on ufos from a committee

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and that was related to gerald ford

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congressman out of michigan

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and

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you know he

337
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he wanted to get to the bottom of

338
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sightings that were going on there and

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the end

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was

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infamous swamp swamp gas explanation

342
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came from which it pissed him off

343
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i think that's why he had hearings

344
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i'm by no means an expert on 66 and

345
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gerald forge but he's one president who

346
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norway

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good morning to all americans it's 3 p.m

348
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in norway so i've had to wait for hours

349
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already

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uh 2000

351
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i think it was 2000 to 2001. i went to

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oslo and bergen

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um in another small town where my

354
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girlfriend at the time her mom lived

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so welcome

356
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i actually was going to move there and

357
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learn norwegian that would have been

358
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the unbreakable taboo that no official

359
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will break we know the united states

360
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government has been covering up the

361
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reality that we are being visited by

362
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extraterrestrial life yeah i don't know

363
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if we're i don't know if we're being

364
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visited by extraterrestrial life i think

365
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we're being interacted with by something

366
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not

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of any government on this planet whether

368
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or not it's non-human i still don't i

369
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still don't know that um

370
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could be that it's a mix of things

371
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including extraterrestrial life

372
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but i don't know that and it could be a

373
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breakaway civilization it could be us

374
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from the future just admitting that we

375
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don't know what this is and

376
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the conclusion is it's 100 anomalous

377
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would be that's the next step you're not

378
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going to get them talking i don't think

379
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they're going to admit to anything

380
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extraterrestrial

381
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i don't need and i'm not even sure they

382
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as i talked about in the past i tweeted

383
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and last night somebody posted on

384
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facebook who has access to some data

385
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said no there as far as he has seen

386
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there is no

387
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extraterrestrial data that shows they're

388
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coming from another planet that data may

389
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exist but they hadn't seen it maybe it's

390
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buried at a higher classification level

391
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and clearance than he had i think most

392
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people know who that is i'm just trying

393
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to respect the facebook page where it

394
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was said

395
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secret it's secret it's not really a

396
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secret thanks for doing this wouldn't

397
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have known about the hearing if it

398
00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:02,000
hadn't oh really

399
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greetings from ireland calm great great

400
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i'm glad i'm glad i did this glad to

401
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have you along calm

402
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:12,399
so you live in bergen yeah it was nice i

403
00:16:15,189 --> 00:16:14,079
liked berg and took a train from from

404
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oslo

405
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and i will try to do more videos i

406
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really suck at videos i'm on twitter

407
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non-stop which i like because i can

408
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think about what i

409
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what i try to you know my points i could

410
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take time to get to really think about

411
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what i say here it's just say it as you

412
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go and then the next morning you're like

413
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oh did i say that last night that was

414
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not accurate

415
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the netherlands in the house that is

416
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impressive we got norway ireland and the

417
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netherlands

418
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and

419
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i don't think i've had this many

420
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international folks and i love

421
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international folks canadians are my

422
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:49,519
favorites because when i worked in

423
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hockey

424
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the people you work with the directors

425
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:55,040
and everybody's so nice sweden i did go

426
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to sweden i went to um

427
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:00,000
stockholm which was beautiful

428
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:02,720
um so welcome to all you guys

429
00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:11,350
threat in both open and closed hearings

430
00:17:16,390 --> 00:17:13,280
it is utterly devastating to see more

431
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:16,400
victims of this violence buffalo

432
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:18,000
heart breaks for you guys hearing an

433
00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:25,110
just let me know how the audio is

434
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:27,679
with that i asked my colleagues to join

435
00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:28,640
pardon me

436
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:30,640
we will now turn to the business of this

437
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,400
hearing

438
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:34,320
no audio

439
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:36,400
more than 50 years ago

440
00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:39,039
the u.s government ended project blue

441
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:41,520
book okay an effort to catalog and

442
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:42,720
understand

443
00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:45,120
sightings of objects in the air

444
00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:47,760
that could not otherwise be explained

445
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,919
for more than 20 years that project

446
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:52,320
treated unidentified anomalies in our

447
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:55,039
airspace as a national security threat

448
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,160
to be monitored and investigated

449
00:18:01,510 --> 00:18:00,240
in 2017 we learned for the first time

450
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:01,520
that the department of defense had

451
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:04,320
quietly restarted a similar organization

452
00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:06,880
tracking what we now call unidentified

453
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:08,400
aerial phenomena

454
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,200
or

455
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:10,880
uaps

456
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:13,280
last year congress rewrote the charter

457
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:14,799
for that organization

458
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:16,720
now called the airborne object

459
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:18,080
identification and management

460
00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:19,679
synchronization group

461
00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:20,640
or

462
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:22,960
aim sog

463
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:25,039
for short today we will bring that

464
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,360
organization out of the shadows

465
00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:29,760
this hearing and oversight work

466
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:37,190
unidentified aerial phenomena are a

467
00:18:41,669 --> 00:18:39,760
potential national security threat and

468
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:41,679
they need to be treated that way for too

469
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:44,400
long the stigma associated with uaps has

470
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:46,000
gotten in the way of good intelligence

471
00:18:49,510 --> 00:18:47,280
analysis

472
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:49,520
pilots avoided reporting or were laughed

473
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:51,200
at when they did

474
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:53,360
dod officials relegated the issue to the

475
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:55,360
back room or swept it under the rug

476
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:56,400
entirely

477
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:59,039
fearful of a skeptical national security

478
00:19:01,029 --> 00:19:00,000
community

479
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:01,039
today

480
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:02,400
we know better

481
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:05,200
uaps are unexplained it's true

482
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:06,559
but they are real

483
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:08,559
they need to be investigated and many

484
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:11,360
threats they pose need to be mitigated

485
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:14,799
under secretary moultrie mr bray

486
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:17,440
thank you for coming today

487
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:19,440
first we need you to update us on the

488
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,600
status of aim salk

489
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:23,520
the legislation creating it was passed

490
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,480
in december

491
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:26,480
the deadline for implementation is fast

492
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:27,600
approaching

493
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:30,240
but the group does not even have a named

494
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:31,679
director

495
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:34,240
we need to know sirs the status of the

496
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:36,640
organization and the obstacle to getting

497
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:39,679
it up and running secondly

498
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,400
you have to convince the audience today

499
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:44,160
and most especially

500
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:47,919
our military and civilian aviators

501
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:49,440
the culture

502
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:51,679
has changed

503
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:53,919
that those who report uaps will be

504
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:57,039
treated as witnesses not as kooks

505
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:59,200
thirdly you need to show us

506
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,240
congress

507
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:02,240
and the american public whose

508
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,559
imaginations you have captured

509
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,480
you are willing to follow the facts

510
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,000
where they lead

511
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,080
you know we fear sometimes that the dod

512
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,159
is focused more on emphasizing what it

513
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:13,919
can explain

514
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:16,880
not investigating what it can

515
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,600
i'm looking for you to assure us today

516
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:21,600
that all conclusions are on the table

517
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:23,760
one final note we are mindful today that

518
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,559
aimsawg is not starting from scratch

519
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:28,640
this is the third version of this task

520
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:31,280
force in dod and civil society groups

521
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:32,080
like

522
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:35,120
the mutual ufo network

523
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:36,880
mr corbell and others have been

524
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,520
collecting data on this issue for years

525
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:41,039
i hope you'll explain how you can

526
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:42,880
leverage the knowledge and experience of

527
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:45,440
our prior work on this matter to move

528
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:47,919
the aim salt along the last time

529
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:50,400
congress had a hearing on uaps was half

530
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,840
a century ago

531
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,240
i hope that it does not take 50 more

532
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,840
years for congress to hold another

533
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,600
because transparency is desperately

534
00:21:02,630 --> 00:20:59,679
needed i now turn to ranking member

535
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,640
crawford for comments he'd like to make

536
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,720
thank you mr chairman um honorable

537
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,159
moultrie mr bray thank you for coming

538
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,159
here today we appreciate it uh to begin

539
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:09,840
the open dialogue between congress and

540
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:12,080
executive branch on this important topic

541
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,840
while this topic evokes creative

542
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,760
imaginations of many aside from all the

543
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:17,520
hype and speculation there are important

544
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,880
underlying issues posed by uaps despite

545
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,480
the serious nature of this topic i have

546
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,760
to say i'm more interested in our

547
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:25,200
understanding of chinese and russian

548
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,720
hypersonic weapon development or

549
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,240
understanding why this administration

550
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,480
was so slow to share actionable

551
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:32,640
intelligence with the ukrainians however

552
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:34,159
as much as this topic may help us better

553
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,000
understand unknown activities of russia

554
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:39,039
and china i am on board the intelligence

555
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,799
community has a serious duty to our

556
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,240
taxpayers to prevent potential

557
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,240
adversaries such as china and russia

558
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,320
from surprising us with unforeseen new

559
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,159
technologies

560
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,679
as overseers of the intelligence

561
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,880
community this committee has an

562
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,039
obligation to understand what you are

563
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,039
doing to determine whether any uaps are

564
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:57,520
new technologies or not and if they are

565
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,919
where they coming from in general the ic

566
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,600
spends much of its time and resources

567
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:03,679
trying to understand what we call known

568
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,600
unknowns when it comes to foreign

569
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,520
nations weapons systems and sensors

570
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,120
known unknowns are those features that

571
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,280
we don't fully understand yet the

572
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,280
challenge associated with uap is that

573
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,360
they are completely unknown and require

574
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,120
a more expansive collection analysis

575
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,200
effort the intelligence community must

576
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,200
balance addressing known threats to our

577
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,120
nation national security with preventing

578
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:25,440
technical surprise we must continue to

579
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,880
follow the facts where they lead us and

580
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,320
ensure that there are no technical

581
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:31,039
surprises the ic must take it seriously

582
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,640
when there are credible observations of

583
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,640
phenomena that seem to perform in ways

584
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,799
that could pose a threat to safe flight

585
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,240
operations or they could be signs of a

586
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,000
foreign adversary's attempt to develop a

587
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,960
strategic technological surprise against

588
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,400
the united states

589
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,080
it's also essential that our pilots and

590
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:48,240
others feel they can report uaps they

591
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:51,840
observe without any stigma for doing so

592
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:54,080
this is the open unclassified portion of

593
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,600
our hearing we'll have a closed

594
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,919
classified part later it's important for

595
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,120
the public to know that the

596
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,440
classification of information exists to

597
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,840
protect national security not to try to

598
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,600
hide the truth when we're trying to

599
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,440
determine if any uaps are new

600
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,200
technologies being developed by foreign

601
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,360
governments we are inevitably going to

602
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,440
run into classified information about

603
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,600
what new systems and technologies we do

604
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,919
know or in the works here or abroad but

605
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:20,159
where information does not risk national

606
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,679
security it should be shared with our

607
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,840
allies and the public when feasible i

608
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,360
hope that we can have your assurance to

609
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,960
this end today it's my hope that the

610
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,320
intelligence community will continue to

611
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,240
try to determine the nature of uaps

612
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,240
we've observed and will keep congress

613
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,840
fully apprised of all developments i

614
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,799
look forward to this hearing and

615
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,720
continue continue dialoguing oversight

616
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,120
with the intelligence community on this

617
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,880
topic without a yield back

618
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,799
gentleman yields back and now turn to

619
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,159
our distinguished chairman adam schiff

620
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,080
for any comments he wishes to make

621
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,080
thank you chairman carson uh for holding

622
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,400
this open hearing on unidentified aerial

623
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:52,320
phenomenon and for your leadership on

624
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,440
this issue

625
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:54,880
holding a portion of our discussion

626
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,520
today in open session is critical to the

627
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,919
cause of transparency and openness

628
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,520
which was congress's intent in

629
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,440
authorizing and funding this new task

630
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,559
force

631
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,919
the larger effort that is being

632
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:08,559
undertaken to study and characterize uap

633
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,679
reports

634
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,120
is an important step towards

635
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,120
understanding these phenomena what we

636
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,880
know and don't know

637
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,559
and i look forward to hearing more

638
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:18,080
during both the open session and the

639
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:19,360
closed setting

640
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,480
about how dod and the ic are undertaking

641
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:23,919
that task

642
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,080
uap reports have been around for decades

643
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,760
and yet we haven't had an orderly way

644
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,240
for them to be reported without stigma

645
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,799
and to be investigated that needs to

646
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,279
change uap reports need to be understood

647
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,600
as a national security matter and that

648
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,679
message needs to go out across dod the

649
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,080
ic and the whole of the u.s government

650
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,440
when we spot something we don't

651
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,440
understand or can't identify in our

652
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,200
airspace it's the job of those we

653
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,360
entrust with our national security to

654
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,679
investigate and to report back

655
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,360
that is why it's important that we hold

656
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,120
this open hearing for the public to hear

657
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,440
directly from the department of defense

658
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:59,679
on the steps it's taking to track

659
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:02,000
analyze and transparently communicate

660
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:03,440
the work that is being done on this

661
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:04,400
issue

662
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:06,000
it is also the responsibility of our

663
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:07,520
government and this panel to share as

664
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,240
much as we can with the american people

665
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,480
since excessive secrecy only breeds

666
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,120
distrust and speculation

667
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,799
i look forward to hearing how the uap

668
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,320
task force is being stood up what

669
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,240
challenges they still face

670
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,760
and how this committee can make sure the

671
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,080
task force is able to shed light on one

672
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,039
of the world's most enduring mysteries

673
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,360
thank you gentlemen for your work and

674
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,520
i'll be very interested to hear what you

675
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,840
have to say to me among the most

676
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:35,840
fascinating questions

677
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,480
are these phenomena that we can

678
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,400
measure that is

679
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,000
instruments report there is something

680
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,880
there it is not the human eye

681
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,880
confusing objects in the sky

682
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,559
uh there is something there measurable

683
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,720
by multiple instruments and yet it seems

684
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:52,080
to move in directions that are

685
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,279
inconsistent

686
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,679
with what we know of physics or science

687
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,520
more broadly and

688
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,480
uh that to me poses uh questions of of

689
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,960
tremendous interest and uh as well as

690
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,440
potential national security significance

691
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,200
so we look forward to hearing what

692
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,640
you're able to report to us today in

693
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,159
open session and i want to thank

694
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,159
chairman carson again for his

695
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,000
extraordinary leadership on this issue

696
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,000
and i yield back

697
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:18,080
chairman yields back thank you with that

698
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,200
we will start our hearing under

699
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:21,760
secretary moultrie the floor is your sir

700
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,840
thank

701
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,200
you chairman schiff

702
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,120
committee chairman carson ranking member

703
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:28,799
crawford distinguished members of the

704
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,039
subcommittee it's a privilege to be here

705
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,720
with you today to address your questions

706
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,880
regarding unidentified aerial phenomena

707
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,400
or uap

708
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,240
i'm pleased to be joined by mr scott

709
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:40,159
bray the deputy director of naval

710
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,520
intelligence who will speak to the

711
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:43,840
navy's unidentified aerial phenomenon

712
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,240
task force which laid the foundation for

713
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,799
the efforts we will discuss today

714
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,320
first i'd like to thank congress for

715
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:52,960
supporting the department's uap efforts

716
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,400
the ndaa for fiscal year 2022 has helped

717
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,799
us to establish a dedicated office to

718
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,279
oversee processes and procedures for the

719
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:03,840
timely collection processing analysis

720
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,799
and reporting of uap related data

721
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:08,320
what are you ap

722
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:11,520
put simply uap or airborne objects that

723
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:14,080
when encountered cannot be immediately

724
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,360
identified

725
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,960
however it is the department's

726
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:18,080
contention

727
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,840
that by combining appropriately

728
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,320
structured collected data with rigorous

729
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,000
scientific analysis

730
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,320
any object that we encounter

731
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:28,640
can likely be

732
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:31,840
isolated characterized identified and if

733
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:34,880
necessary mitigated

734
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,600
we know that our service members have

735
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,000
encountered unidentified aerial

736
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,640
phenomena and because uaps pose

737
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,240
potential flight safety and general

738
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:46,880
security risk we are committed to a

739
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,399
focused effort to determine their

740
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,919
origins

741
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,679
our effort will include the thorough

742
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,279
examination of

743
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,360
adversarial platforms and potential

744
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,919
breakthrough technologies us government

745
00:28:02,789 --> 00:27:59,840
or commercial platforms

746
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,799
allied or partner systems and other

747
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:04,080
natural

748
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:09,590
we also understand that there has been a

749
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,640
cultural stigma surrounding uap

750
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,799
our goal is to eliminate the stigma by

751
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,720
fully incorporating our operators and

752
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,960
mission personnel into a standardized

753
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:21,120
data gathering process

754
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,559
we believe that making uap reporting a

755
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,960
mission imperative will be instrumental

756
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,720
to the effort's success

757
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,399
the defense intelligence and security

758
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,399
enterprise provides real-time support to

759
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,159
our warfighters and mission personnel

760
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:35,919
across all domains

761
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,880
to optimize the department's uap work we

762
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,720
are establishing an office

763
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,480
within the office of the secretary of

764
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:43,600
defense

765
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,159
that office's function is clear to

766
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,840
facilitate the identification of

767
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:49,919
previously unknown or unidentified

768
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,640
airborne objects in a methodical logical

769
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,720
and standardized manner

770
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,960
these goals will ensure that we are

771
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,480
working closely with operational

772
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,159
personnel on training and reporting

773
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,480
requirements developing data and

774
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,399
intelligence requirements

775
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,399
standardizing and integrating processes

776
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,000
and procedures for collection

777
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,000
operational surveillance analysis and

778
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,320
reporting leveraging our research and

779
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,240
development capabilities to improve

780
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,480
detection characterization and

781
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:18,960
identification of uaps developing

782
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,279
mitigating solutions and procedures and

783
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,120
identifying strategy and policy

784
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,480
solutions

785
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,480
this effort will maximize collaboration

786
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,320
and build upon already existing

787
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,240
relationships with the office of the

788
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:32,159
director of national intelligence the

789
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,000
faa dhs and the fbi

790
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,520
we are also committed to strong

791
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:38,799
partnerships with the department of

792
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,799
energy noaa the dea nasa

793
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,039
and the national labs and just as

794
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,880
importantly our international partners

795
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,559
and allies

796
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:49,919
with regard to the importance of

797
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,880
transparency the department is fully

798
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,360
committed to the principle of openness

799
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:57,200
and accountability to the american

800
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,399
people

801
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,559
however we are also mindful of our

802
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,880
obligation to protect sensitive sources

803
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,960
and methods our goal is to strike that

804
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,399
delicate balance

805
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,159
one that enables us to maintain the

806
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,480
public's trust while preserving those

807
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:12,159
capabilities that are vital to the

808
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,679
support of our service personnel

809
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,840
in closing the department is committed

810
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,120
to this effort and welcomes the

811
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,799
challenge we thank you for your

812
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:23,039
committed support and look forward to

813
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,909
yeah there wasn't really anything

814
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,960
chairman

815
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,320
ranking member crawford and committee

816
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:34,240
members uh thank you very much for the

817
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:35,440
opportunity to be here today to

818
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,559
highlight the ongoing work of the

819
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,399
department of defense regarding

820
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,960
unidentified aerial phenomena since the

821
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,039
early 2000s

822
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,039
we have seen an increasing number of

823
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:47,279
unauthorized and or unidentified

824
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,320
aircraft or objects in

825
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,480
military-controlled training areas

826
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:52,399
and training ranges and other designated

827
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,440
airspace

828
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,760
reports of sightings are frequent and

829
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,039
continuing

830
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,039
we attribute this increase in reporting

831
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,720
to a number of factors including our

832
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,960
work to destigmatize reporting an

833
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,039
increase in the number of new systems

834
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:07,039
such as quadcopters and unmanned aerial

835
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,279
systems that are in our airspace

836
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,880
identification of what we can classify

837
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,799
as clutter mylar balloons and other

838
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,880
types of of air trash

839
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:16,799
and improvements in the capabilities of

840
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,200
our various sensors to detect things in

841
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,720
our airspace

842
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,640
almost two years ago in august of 2020

843
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,159
deputy secretary defense nordquist

844
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:25,440
directed the establishment of the

845
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:27,679
unidentified aerial phenomena task force

846
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,240
within the department of the navy the

847
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,080
uap task force was built on the

848
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,320
foundation of the navy's initial efforts

849
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:35,840
to respond to the reports from our

850
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,399
aviators on unidentified objects

851
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,399
observed in our training ranges

852
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,880
the basic issues then and now are

853
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,960
twofold first

854
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,559
incursions in our training ranges by

855
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,559
unidentified objects represent serious

856
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:50,559
hazards to safety of flight

857
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,679
in every aspect of naval aviation safety

858
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:56,000
of our air crews is paramount

859
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,120
second

860
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,120
intrusions by unknown aircraft or

861
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:01,360
objects pose potential threats to the

862
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,159
security of our operations our aviators

863
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,480
train as they would fight

864
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,640
so any intrusions that may compromise

865
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,720
the security of our operations by

866
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,960
revealing our capabilities our tactics

867
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,799
techniques or procedures

868
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,200
are of great concern to the navy and the

869
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,200
department of defense

870
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:21,120
from the very beginning we took these

871
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,320
reports very seriously we instituted a

872
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:26,000
data-driven approach to the

873
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,760
investigations where we could collect as

874
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,000
much data as possible and use all

875
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,399
available resources to analyze and make

876
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:33,760
informed decisions on the best ways to

877
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,320
address our findings our main objective

878
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:38,960
was to transition uap efforts from an

879
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,559
anecdotal or narrative based approach

880
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,360
to a rigorous science and technology

881
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,360
engineering focus study

882
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,200
this data-driven approach

883
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,200
requires input from a wide variety of

884
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,640
sources

885
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:54,080
in the early stages

886
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,840
the task force worked to standardize the

887
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,679
reporting mechanisms and processes to

888
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,600
make it as easy as possible

889
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,440
for personnel to report any engagement

890
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,360
so that we were getting that wide range

891
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,200
of reporting that we needed

892
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,200
we also spent considerable efforts

893
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,640
engaging directly with our naval

894
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,480
aviators and building relationships to

895
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,120
help destigmatize the act of reporting

896
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,039
sightings or encounters

897
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,799
and we work with naval aviation

898
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,159
leadership to provide additional

899
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,039
equipment to record any encounter navy

900
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:23,120
and air force crews now have

901
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:24,799
step-by-step procedures for reporting on

902
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,440
the uap on their knee board

903
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,840
in their in the cockpit and

904
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,120
in their post

905
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,679
flight debrief procedures

906
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,679
the direct result of those efforts has

907
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,919
been increased reporting with increased

908
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,279
opportunities to focus a number of

909
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,919
sensors on any objects the message is

910
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,039
now clear

911
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:45,120
if you see something you need to report

912
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,919
it

913
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:47,679
and the message has been received in

914
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,320
fact recently i received a call from a

915
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:52,080
senior naval aviator with over 2000

916
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,679
flight hours he called me personally

917
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:55,120
from the flight line

918
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,399
after landing

919
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:58,240
to talk about

920
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,600
an encounter that he had just

921
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,679
experienced

922
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,279
those were just the initial steps we

923
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,799
also made a concerted effort to assemble

924
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:06,159
subject matter experts from across the

925
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,120
department of defense and the

926
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,800
intelligence community and other us

927
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:10,320
government agencies and departments

928
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:11,520
we've forged partnerships with the

929
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,879
research development and acquisition

930
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,639
communities with industry partners and

931
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,639
with academic research labs and we've

932
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:18,399
brought many allies and international

933
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,839
partners into our discussions on uab

934
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,760
additionally subject matter experts from

935
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:25,919
a wide variety of fields including

936
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:29,599
physics optics metallurgy meteorology

937
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,800
just name a few have been brought in to

938
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,639
to expand our understanding in areas

939
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,639
where me we may not have organic

940
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,919
expertise

941
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,520
in short we've endeavored to bring an

942
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:42,000
all hands on deck approach uh to the to

943
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,000
better understand this phenomena so what

944
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,480
have we learned so far

945
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:49,919
any given observation may be fleeting

946
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:53,359
or longer it may be recorded or not it

947
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,560
may be observable by one or multiple

948
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,320
assets

949
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,720
in short there's rarely an easy answer

950
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,160
for example let me share with you the

951
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:04,400
first video that we have here today

952
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:17,670
there it was

953
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,480
that's

954
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:20,320
in many cases

955
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,760
that's all that a report may include

956
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:25,839
and in many other cases

957
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,280
we have far less than this

958
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,359
as we detailed in both the unclassified

959
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,640
and classified versions of the

960
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,920
preliminary assessment released by the

961
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,880
office of the director of national

962
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:36,880
intelligence last june this often

963
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,920
limited amount of high quality data

964
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,520
and reporting hampers our ability to

965
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,359
draw firm conclusions about the nature

966
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,280
or intent of uap

967
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,440
as detailed in the odni report if and

968
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,040
when individual uap incidents are

969
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,520
resolved they likely fall into one of

970
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,680
five potential explanatory categories

971
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,839
airborne clutter natural atmospheric

972
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,320
phenomena us government or u.s industry

973
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,560
developmental programs foreign adversary

974
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,240
systems or

975
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,440
a other bin that allows for a holding

976
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,200
bin of difficult cases and for the

977
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,880
possibility of surprise and potential

978
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,800
scientific discovery

979
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:13,200
we stand by those initial results

980
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,480
since the release of that preliminary

981
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,040
report uap task force database has now

982
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,839
grown to contain approximately 400

983
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,200
reports

984
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,160
the stigma has been reduced

985
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:25,599
we've also made progress in resolving

986
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,440
the character of a limited number of uap

987
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,040
encounters for example let me show you a

988
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:31,839
couple of another video and image

989
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,599
taken years apart in different areas

990
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,119
in this video

991
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,119
u.s navy personnel recorded what appears

992
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,359
to be triangles some flashing recorded

993
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:43,200
several years ago off the coast of the

994
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,720
united states

995
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,320
this was recorded while the u.s navy

996
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,040
ship observed a number of small unmanned

997
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:51,680
aerial systems in the area

998
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,079
importantly the video was taken through

999
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,000
night vision goggles with a single lens

1000
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,760
reflex camera

1001
00:37:06,790 --> 00:36:59,839
these remained unresolved for several

1002
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,710
is he going the boca route

1003
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:10,640
let's see if he goes the bokeh route

1004
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,640
they remained unresolved but now

1005
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:16,480
i'm sensing he's going to try to explain

1006
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:17,280
this

1007
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,470
several years later

1008
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,640
and off a different coast

1009
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,440
u.s navy personnel again in a swarm of

1010
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,119
unmanned aerial systems and again

1011
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,599
through night vision goggles and an slr

1012
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,880
camera

1013
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,960
recorded this image

1014
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,400
but this time

1015
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,160
other us navy assets also observed

1016
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:44,320
unmanned aerial systems nearby and we're

1017
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,880
now reasonably confident that these

1018
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,560
triangles correlate to unmanned aerial

1019
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,960
systems in the area the triangular

1020
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,160
appearance

1021
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,320
is a result of light passing through the

1022
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,240
night vision goggles and then being

1023
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,560
recorded by an slr camera

1024
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,320
i don't mean to suggest that everything

1025
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:01,920
that we observe

1026
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,599
is is identifiable but

1027
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,800
the um

1028
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,200
it but this is a great example of how it

1029
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,920
takes considerable effort to understand

1030
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,520
what we're seeing

1031
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,440
in the examples that we are able to

1032
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:17,119
collect

1033
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,400
in this example we accumulated

1034
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,240
sufficient data from two similar

1035
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,240
encounters from two different time

1036
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:24,240
periods in two different geographic

1037
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,280
areas to help us draw these conclusions

1038
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,280
that's not always the case though we

1039
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,160
recognize that that can be unsatisfying

1040
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,640
or insufficient in the eyes of many this

1041
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:36,400
is a popular topic in our nation with

1042
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:37,599
various theories as to what these

1043
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,400
objects may be and where they originate

1044
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,599
by nature

1045
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,119
we are all curious and we seek to

1046
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:45,839
understand the unknown and as a lifelong

1047
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,480
intelligence professional i'm impatient

1048
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,400
i want immediate explanations for this

1049
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:52,079
as much as anyone else

1050
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,280
however

1051
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,119
understanding can take significant time

1052
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,640
and effort it's why we've endeavored to

1053
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,960
concentrate on this data-driven process

1054
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:01,440
to drive fact-based results and given

1055
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:02,800
the nature of our business national

1056
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,520
defense we've had to sometimes be less

1057
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,520
forthcoming with information in open

1058
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,079
forums than many would hope

1059
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,640
if uap do indeed represent a potential

1060
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,000
threat to our security then the

1061
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,079
capabilities systems processes and

1062
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,160
sources we use to observe record study

1063
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,400
or analyze these phenomena need to be

1064
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:22,880
classified at appropriate levels

1065
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,000
we do not want we do not want potential

1066
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:28,240
adversaries to know exactly what we're

1067
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,560
able to see or understand or how we come

1068
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,960
to the conclusions we make therefore

1069
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,359
public disclosures must be carefully

1070
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,000
considered on a case-by-case basis

1071
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,839
so what's next we're concentrating on a

1072
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,280
seamless transition to the new

1073
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:43,920
organization and future analysis of

1074
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,800
complicated uh issues of uap issues will

1075
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,320
greatly benefit from the infrastructure

1076
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,400
of the process and the procedures that

1077
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:52,000
we've developed to date i'm confident

1078
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,599
that the task force under navy

1079
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,200
leadership has forged a path forward

1080
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:57,280
that will allow us to anchor assessments

1081
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,560
in science and engineering vice

1082
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:00,640
anecdotal evidence we remain committed

1083
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,960
to that goal as i know the usdi

1084
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,720
organization does as well

1085
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:08,640
so thank you very much for your interest

1086
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,240
in continuing support for the uap task

1087
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,920
force the team's made a lot of progress

1088
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,520
but we really are just establishing the

1089
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,640
foundation

1090
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,079
for the more detailed analysis that's

1091
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,760
yet to be done with your continued

1092
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,599
support we can sustain that momentum

1093
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,440
necessary to produce data-centric

1094
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:23,280
analysis and understanding the phenomena

1095
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,319
i look forward to your questions thank

1096
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,400
you thank you mr bray

1097
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,560
this is the third version of this task

1098
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:30,800
force and to be frank um one of

1099
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:33,119
congress's concerns is

1100
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:35,200
that the executive branch

1101
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,319
and administration of both parties uh

1102
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,359
has been sweeping concerns about uaps

1103
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:44,079
under the rug by focusing on events

1104
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,520
that can be explained and avoiding

1105
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,839
events that cannot be explained

1106
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:48,960
what can you

1107
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:53,920
the american people

1108
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,960
confidence that you aren't just focusing

1109
00:41:04,710 --> 00:40:58,560
our attention on

1110
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,630
congressman i'll start and then uh mr

1111
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:09,839
bray um please feel free to uh to weigh

1112
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:10,720
in

1113
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,680
so

1114
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,440
the way that we're approaching this is

1115
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,839
with a more

1116
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:18,000
thorough standardized methodology than

1117
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:19,280
what we have in the past first and

1118
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:20,800
foremost the secretary of defense is

1119
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,760
chartering this effort this is not uh

1120
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,280
someone lower in the department of

1121
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,240
defense and he has assigned that task to

1122
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,079
the office of secretary of defense uh

1123
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:32,000
the uh under secretary for intelligence

1124
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,440
security that's me

1125
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,200
because i'm responsible for looking at

1126
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,960
intelligence matters i'm responsible for

1127
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,640
security matters this is potentially

1128
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,599
both

1129
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,000
so when you start

1130
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,079
concerning the uh

1131
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,520
ourselves with the safety of our

1132
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,359
personnel the safety of our

1133
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,520
installations and bases there's no other

1134
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,359
higher priority than what we have than

1135
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,760
actually getting after this and as you

1136
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:54,960
have stated

1137
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,480
we have been assigned that task to

1138
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,640
actually stand up in office the aim sog

1139
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:02,720
which i believe the name will likely

1140
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,599
change

1141
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:05,520
but we have moved forward in terms of

1142
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,240
moving to establish that office we have

1143
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:10,480
uh as of this week

1144
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:11,599
uh

1145
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:16,480
very established and

1146
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,280
and

1147
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:19,599
accomplished individual we've identified

1148
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,720
spaces we've uh worked with personnel

1149
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,839
across

1150
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,280
the department of defense with the

1151
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,520
services and we've worked with the ic

1152
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,760
which is on board in helping us work

1153
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:32,400
through this standardized methodology

1154
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:33,520
for now

1155
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,560
bringing in data analyzing that data and

1156
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:39,040
reporting that data in the appropriate

1157
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,720
method appropriate means so we can

1158
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,079
either get it

1159
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,640
to our service personnel to ensure their

1160
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,960
safety or get it to you and the congress

1161
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,560
and to the public to ensure that you

1162
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,480
have oversight to what we're doing so

1163
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,319
chartered by the secretary of defense

1164
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:55,200
standardized and uh

1165
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,880
really a methodical approach it's

1166
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:58,160
something we're doing that has not been

1167
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,200
done before

1168
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,359
can we get some kinds of assurances that

1169
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,200
your analysts will follow the facts

1170
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,599
where they lead and assess all

1171
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,079
hypotheses absolutely so we're open to

1172
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,319
all hypotheses we're open to

1173
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:13,040
any uh conclusions that uh that we may

1174
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,480
encounter

1175
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:15,920
uh quickly before i pass it to the

1176
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,160
ranking member uh and and chairman

1177
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:20,079
schiff uh i want to thank you both for

1178
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,680
taking the time and i had a good time

1179
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:23,680
meeting with you last week uh director

1180
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:25,280
moultrie under secretary

1181
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,109
it's fair to say that you are a science

1182
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,200
fiction fan is that correct

1183
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,040
it's fair to say that

1184
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,079
i am an inquisitive mind who has

1185
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,079
spent 40 years in the intelligence field

1186
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,000
and has focused on both science and

1187
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:43,599
science fiction that is fair could you

1188
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,560
tell us about it yeah well yeah look my

1189
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,720
generation grew up uh

1190
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:50,400
looking at the

1191
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,240
space sagas and and the apollo program

1192
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,040
so all of us who uh grew up in the 60s

1193
00:44:00,790 --> 00:44:00,000
uh were were just thrilled by watching

1194
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,800
um

1195
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,560
our first astronaut land on the moon

1196
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,880
that was a momentous occasion to people

1197
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,839
who

1198
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,160
were of different generations uh some of

1199
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,680
them didn't believe that happened i

1200
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,440
still have relatives and friends who

1201
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,800
don't believe it happened right science

1202
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,960
fiction to them but to us it was no

1203
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,800
that's the progress that we've made

1204
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,839
and so

1205
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:19,920
i was enthralled by that and i've taken

1206
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,119
that to heart i enjoy

1207
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:25,920
the challenge of what may be out there i

1208
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,160
have mentioned to you that yes i have

1209
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:30,079
followed science fiction i have gone to

1210
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,520
conventions even i'll see it on the

1211
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,680
record uh

1212
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,760
got to break the ice somehow but you

1213
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,440
know i have done that right but there's

1214
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,440
nothing wrong with that um don't

1215
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,079
necessarily dress up but i do uh you

1216
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,920
know i do believe that it's important to

1217
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:46,160
show that the department of defense has

1218
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,079
um you know we have character and we're

1219
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,440
people just like you just like the

1220
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,480
american people

1221
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,319
we have our um

1222
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,079
we have our uh

1223
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,240
our inquisitiveness uh we have our

1224
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,079
questions we want to know what's out

1225
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,599
there as much as you want to know what's

1226
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,520
out there we get the questions not just

1227
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,040
from you we get it from family members

1228
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,040
and we get them night and day

1229
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,720
not just in committee hearings so

1230
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,480
finding what's out there is important

1231
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,240
but first and fore and foremost it's

1232
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,240
important for us to do that so we can

1233
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,640
ensure that our people our personnel our

1234
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:16,880
aviators our bases and installations are

1235
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,160
safe and then that curiosity factor is

1236
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,079
something else that that we just want to

1237
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,240
know because that's the human race it's

1238
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,079
just you know that insatiable desire to

1239
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,829
thank you sir thank you mr crawford

1240
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,920
walter you said you don't necessarily

1241
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:36,319
dress up

1242
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:37,200
oh

1243
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:43,829
gentlemen thank you for being here today

1244
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,640
we appreciate it um and thank you mr

1245
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,160
mulder for breaking the ice the way you

1246
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,240
did appreciate that the inability to

1247
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,960
understand objects in our sensitive

1248
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,560
operating areas is tantamount to an

1249
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,400
intelligence failure that we certainly

1250
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,400
want to avoid it's not about finding

1251
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,319
alien spacecraft but about delivering

1252
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,760
dominant intelligence across the

1253
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:03,440
tactical operational and strategic

1254
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,720
spectrum

1255
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:06,960
so my question is how can aimsog lead to

1256
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,109
sure i'll start with that

1257
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,280
so the goal of our effort is to

1258
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,200
integrate it into what we already do on

1259
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,520
a normal basis which is look for the

1260
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,839
unknown unknowns congressman as you

1261
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,839
stated in your opening remarks across

1262
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,440
all domains so we've been doing this for

1263
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,760
decades we've been looking at the space

1264
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,839
domain looking at space objects looking

1265
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,520
at space weather looking at space

1266
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,640
phenomena

1267
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,480
we've been looking at things in the air

1268
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,960
domain and we as you know we and i'll

1269
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,640
talk more about this in classified

1270
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,560
session but we have a very concerted

1271
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,119
effort to understand adversarial

1272
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,200
platforms and adversarial developmental

1273
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,960
programs and we do that also in the

1274
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,240
ground domain and of course we're very

1275
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,640
interested in what happens in the

1276
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:52,880
in the underwater or c domain if you

1277
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,599
will sub-surface domain so if there are

1278
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:57,720
objects that our

1279
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:00,960
aviators or air crews are encountering

1280
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,000
in this air domain and their sensors are

1281
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,920
are discovering or detecting some of

1282
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,160
these objects we want to just bring that

1283
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,640
in to the normal process that we have

1284
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,640
for identifying unknown unknowns we want

1285
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,079
to make sure we have the intelligence

1286
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,240
requirements that allow us not only to

1287
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,480
look at that event from the time that

1288
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,359
occurs forward but maybe retrospectively

1289
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,040
we want to go back and see if we can get

1290
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,800
to the left of that event to say was

1291
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,720
there some developmental program

1292
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,480
that we to get to your technical

1293
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,680
surprise

1294
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,359
issue sir that we should have known

1295
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:36,000
about and if so how do we put that

1296
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,520
intelligence requirement in place to

1297
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,160
ensure that we are following

1298
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,400
an adversarial development or any other

1299
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,240
development that may be out there so

1300
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:46,160
that's what we we want to do in terms of

1301
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,760
normalizing this and bringing it into

1302
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,680
the normal process of how we identify

1303
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,119
unknown unknowns

1304
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,960
so you mentioned fidelity and i think

1305
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,400
it's important to

1306
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:56,960
talk about the relationship

1307
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,160
from the navy is the lead agency on this

1308
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:02,640
how do you interact with

1309
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,119
space force air force to create that

1310
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,480
degree of fidelity we're talking about

1311
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,640
sensors and so on and i guess

1312
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,240
where i have some concerns that many of

1313
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,920
the images that we see

1314
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:14,240
commonly

1315
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,760
in this committee and even in open

1316
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,480
source the resolution and the clarity

1317
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,640
that would allow a robust technical

1318
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,640
intelligence analysis is

1319
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,200
challenging so is aimshot

1320
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,200
uh prepared to address the quality and

1321
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,520
and quantity of data collected on uap to

1322
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,119
advance intelligence collection and do

1323
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:33,280
you have the adequate sensors you need

1324
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,680
to collect that high quality data

1325
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,440
one of the lines of effort that we have

1326
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,440
is looking at our sensor capabilities

1327
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,240
and to understand whether or not

1328
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,960
the video showed that mr bray

1329
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,480
displayed

1330
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,880
sometimes it's very fleeting uh data

1331
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:50,480
that we have on some of these objects

1332
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,280
and

1333
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,520
we want to make sure that one

1334
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,680
our systems are calibrated uh to

1335
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,520
actually be able to collect on the

1336
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,280
objects you know our sensors today are

1337
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,599
they're calibrated for specific things

1338
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,599
we want to make sure to calibrate it for

1339
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,119
things of this nature things of this

1340
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,440
size things of this velocity if i can

1341
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,760
use that term we want to make sure that

1342
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,000
once we have that that that data is

1343
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,720
stored in some standardized method that

1344
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,720
we can then extract and that we can feed

1345
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:18,640
into our system real time so we do not

1346
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:21,040
like want this to take some uh prolonged

1347
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:22,480
period of time for us to get that data

1348
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,520
but our goal is absolutely to have that

1349
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:27,520
high fidelity information that we get

1350
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,040
from all sensors and we want to be able

1351
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,119
to integrate that with what we may have

1352
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:33,040
off a ground-based sensor so whatever

1353
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,319
you may have on a platform whatever we

1354
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:36,079
may have on the ground whatever we may

1355
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,880
have

1356
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:37,920
from

1357
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,760
other sensors that we may have in

1358
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:41,040
different domains we want to be able to

1359
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,319
integrate that all and get this

1360
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,480
integrated picture as we would as i said

1361
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,400
with any other unidentified objects or

1362
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:48,319
things that we are tracking uh as a part

1363
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,359
of our normal intelligence

1364
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:51,119
responsibilities

1365
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:52,640
thank you last question mr bray if you

1366
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,000
would i'm a navy pilot i've

1367
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,000
encountered a uap walk me through the

1368
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,599
reporting protocol

1369
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,920
um once i see something that i think

1370
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:03,520
needs reported

1371
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:04,559
uh

1372
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,559
after landing as a part of their normal

1373
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,559
uh debriefing is they would

1374
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,800
contact their uh intelligence officer

1375
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,640
their intelligence officer would then uh

1376
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,119
walk them through uh first filing a um

1377
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,520
first actually data preservation doing

1378
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:21,520
to ensure that uh that whatever sensor

1379
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,000
data uh may be on the aircraft that we

1380
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,000
preserve that um so that it's available

1381
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:28,800
for for later analysis um second they

1382
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,920
would actually fill out a a form uh that

1383
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,599
that includes details like where they

1384
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,520
were operating altitudes their operating

1385
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,240
speeds what they observed uh whatever

1386
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:40,319
sense of data sensor data they may have

1387
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:41,760
recorded from that

1388
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,640
and then that report is filed it goes

1389
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,119
two places one it goes through

1390
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,119
through the operational

1391
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,880
chain of command so that operational

1392
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,880
units are aware of what what's being

1393
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,040
observed and also

1394
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:57,599
to the uap task force so that they can

1395
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,040
take that data uh database it and

1396
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:03,839
quite often uh have individuals from the

1397
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,720
task force contact the aviator

1398
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,240
and ask them additional questions if

1399
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,079
there were things that weren't clear uh

1400
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:12,319
in the uh in the report uh that thing

1401
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,760
goes into a um

1402
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,160
into a database uh where we begin to

1403
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,240
compare it with other

1404
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:19,920
observations that we have again

1405
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:22,400
comparing for locations comparing for

1406
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,520
altitude speeds shapes

1407
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,440
if any rf emissions were detected from

1408
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,599
the platform uh all of that so that we

1409
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:31,280
can try to reach some conclusions on

1410
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:32,079
that

1411
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,160
thank you you're back

1412
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,240
gentleman yields back chairmanship

1413
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,319
thanks chairman um mr break can you

1414
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,040
rerun that first image it looked like it

1415
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,119
was outside of a plane window

1416
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:45,200
um and if you wouldn't mind going up to

1417
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,359
the screen and tell us what we're

1418
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:49,520
what we're seeing

1419
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,960
not that you can necessarily tell us

1420
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,720
what we're seeing but right explain what

1421
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:54,480
we should be looking at in that first

1422
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,280
image absolutely uh and alexi what i'll

1423
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:00,240
ask is if you can stop it at a certain

1424
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:26,549
uh

1425
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:28,870
that video is totally useless i'm sorry

1426
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,760
you're telling me they don't have

1427
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:31,119
anything better than that looking

1428
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:33,599
outside of a civilian aircraft window is

1429
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:57,589
okay

1430
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,630
i can safely say that is not the 23

1431
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,240
minute video

1432
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:04,000
let me give me a break

1433
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,440
it's like that they choose the worst

1434
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:07,440
possible video from him it's probably

1435
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,160
from a flip phone yeah sorry this pilot

1436
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:12,400
had a flip phone so

1437
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,470
somebody needs to get the guy back on

1438
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,000
mic because if somebody's talking we

1439
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:35,510
i'm sorry i can't find it now

1440
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:49,910
right through here

1441
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:51,430
can you point to the screen again what

1442
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,190
mr chairman we have identified it as the

1443
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,359
robin balloon

1444
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,920
goes along with the batman balloon

1445
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,680
i'm joking i don't think that was a

1446
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,760
batman balloon this is this video is a

1447
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,760
total waste of time

1448
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:13,839
i mean they can't even find it now there

1449
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:27,589
like i said my expectations were pretty

1450
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:28,400
low

1451
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,430
oh this is the flyby okay if you could

1452
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,599
stop that frame not as good as the flyby

1453
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:37,520
we've seen of the

1454
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:39,760
saucer alleged saucer outside the window

1455
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,789
now if you look closely enough you can

1456
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,000
see

1457
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,480
the rivets

1458
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:50,000
that's probably one of the probably one

1459
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:51,520
of the worst i would never show that

1460
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:56,150
unless we had the pilot come out and say

1461
00:55:03,030 --> 00:54:57,599
that you know there was something that

1462
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:05,109
missed it again

1463
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,400
30 minutes later

1464
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:09,280
we'll see it zooms by the window uh

1465
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:16,069
you would think they would have

1466
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,839
produced a slow motion version

1467
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:20,880
before the hearing so we wouldn't have

1468
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:23,920
to do this and waste time trying to find

1469
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:27,839
the the you know 15 frames that the

1470
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:39,030
okay so as you can see it's difficult

1471
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,349
um the laptop we're working with uh is

1472
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,040
not as easy for us stopping that video

1473
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:44,799
in the right spot we'll describe what

1474
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:47,599
what we have seen in that uh what are we

1475
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:50,880
observing uh what you see here uh is um

1476
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,040
uh aircraft that is uh operating in a uh

1477
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:57,839
in a u.s navy uh training range uh that

1478
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:02,160
has observed a spherical object

1479
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,680
in that area

1480
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,520
and as they fly by it they take a video

1481
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,599
you see a

1482
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,760
it looks uh reflective in this video

1483
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,359
somewhat reflective

1484
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:13,839
and it quickly passes by

1485
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,640
the cockpit of the uh of the aircraft

1486
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,960
and is this one of the phenomena that we

1487
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:20,640
can't explain i do not have an

1488
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:23,200
explanation for what this

1489
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,119
this specific uh

1490
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,040
object is and is this one of the

1491
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:29,520
situations where it is

1492
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,799
that's that's the object that we're

1493
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,880
looking at right there thank you

1494
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,079
um

1495
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,400
and is this the situation where

1496
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,240
it was observed by the pilot and it was

1497
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:40,160
also recorded by the aircraft's

1498
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,200
instruments

1499
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:43,280
uh we'll talk about the multi-sensor

1500
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,109
but in this case

1501
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,839
we have at least that

1502
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,599
um in in the

1503
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:57,520
director of national intelligence

1504
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:00,799
2021 unclassified report

1505
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:04,079
the odni reported 144

1506
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,319
uaps between 2004 and 2021

1507
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,319
80 of which were

1508
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,799
recorded on multiple instruments

1509
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:13,760
um

1510
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,680
and i take it with respect to some of

1511
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:16,799
those

1512
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,119
you had the pilot a pilot seeing them it

1513
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,520
was observed by a pilot and you had

1514
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,440
multiple instruments recording so you

1515
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,040
really have three sensors the human

1516
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,960
sensor and two

1517
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,640
technical

1518
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:30,720
sensors detecting the object is that for

1519
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,400
them for the majority of uh

1520
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,720
incidents that we had in the

1521
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:38,319
last year's report

1522
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,760
the majority had multi-sensor data uh

1523
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,440
when i talk about the 400 reports that

1524
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:45,280
we have now uh that number will

1525
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,119
certainly go down because a lot of those

1526
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,280
uh new reports that we have are actually

1527
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,040
historic reports that are narrative

1528
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:53,680
based so that percentage will go down

1529
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,640
just as a factor of uh the fact that the

1530
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,480
that the de-stigmatization has resulted

1531
00:58:01,589 --> 00:58:00,160
in more narrative reports and that's the

1532
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,599
object we're looking at right there now

1533
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:03,839
that's it right there okay

1534
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:09,589
last year's report also said that of

1535
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:12,960
those 144 18 of them

1536
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,200
uh reportedly appeared to exhibit

1537
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,599
unusual flight characteristics

1538
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,960
appear to demonstrate advanced

1539
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:20,640
technology

1540
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,920
uh and some of them appeared to remain

1541
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:25,920
stationary in winds aloft move against

1542
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:28,240
the wind maneuver abruptly or move at

1543
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,920
considerable speed without discernible

1544
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,839
means of propulsion

1545
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:33,119
um

1546
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,680
that's pretty intriguing uh

1547
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:39,599
and if you're able to answer this in

1548
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:41,200
this setting

1549
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:44,960
are we aware of any uh foreign adversary

1550
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:48,000
capable of moving objects

1551
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,599
without any discernible means of

1552
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,520
propulsion

1553
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,280
um

1554
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,359
i think i would uh without discernible

1555
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,680
means of propulsion i would say that

1556
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,760
we're not aware of any adversary that

1557
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,520
can move an object without discernible

1558
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:03,440
means of propulsion

1559
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,440
the question then becomes in many of

1560
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,960
these cases where we don't have a

1561
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:09,200
discernible mean of propulsion in the

1562
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:13,440
data that we have um in some cases

1563
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,040
there is likely sensor artifacts that

1564
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,440
that may be hiding some of that uh

1565
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,839
there's certainly some degree of uh

1566
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,680
of something that looks like signature

1567
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,599
management that we have seen from some

1568
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,440
of these uh

1569
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,200
uap

1570
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:31,599
but i would i would caution i would

1571
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:34,000
simply say that there are a number of uh

1572
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,160
of events in which we do not have an

1573
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,000
explanation in which then there are a

1574
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,240
small handful in which there are flight

1575
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,319
characteristics or signature management

1576
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:45,200
um that we can't explain with the data

1577
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:46,640
that we have

1578
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:48,079
we'll continue those are obviously the

1579
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,400
ones that are of most interest to us uh

1580
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,400
earlier when we asked about how you

1581
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,720
avoid technological surprise the biggest

1582
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,400
way you avoid technological surprises by

1583
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:58,400
collecting this type of data and by

1584
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,920
importantly

1585
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:01,760
calibrating the assumptions that you go

1586
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,480
into with how you do that analysis i'll

1587
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:06,079
tell you within the uap task force we

1588
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,280
have uh one basic assumption and that is

1589
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:11,280
that generally speaking generally

1590
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,400
speaking our sensors operate as designed

1591
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,640
um and we make that assumption because

1592
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,640
many times these are multi-sensor

1593
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,119
collections we make no assumptions about

1594
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:23,359
the origin of this or that there may or

1595
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,960
may not be some sort of technology that

1596
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:27,119
we don't understand that's i think the

1597
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:28,960
key to avoiding technological surprises

1598
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,280
by calibrating those assumptions

1599
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:33,839
and finally um with respect to the

1600
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:36,480
second two videos uh showing the

1601
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:38,079
small triangles

1602
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:39,040
um

1603
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:42,960
the hypothesis is that those are uh

1604
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,760
commercial drones that uh because of the

1605
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:47,440
use of night vision goggles appear like

1606
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,040
triangles is that the

1607
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,520
operating assessment some type of uh of

1608
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:54,000
drone uh some type of unmanned aerial

1609
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:54,880
system

1610
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:57,680
and it is simply that that light source

1611
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:00,000
uh resolves itself through

1612
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:02,079
the um through the night vision goggles

1613
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:05,440
onto the slr camera as a triangle and

1614
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:07,040
have we in order to prove that

1615
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,280
hypothesis uh flown a drone uh and

1616
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,440
observed it with that same technology to

1617
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:15,760
see whether we can re reproduce the

1618
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:17,599
effect the uap task force is aware of

1619
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:19,839
studies that have done that okay

1620
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,640
thank you mr chairman i yield back

1621
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:25,119
the gentleman yields back

1622
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,720
dr winstrom

1623
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,720
thank you mr chairman thank you all for

1624
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,880
being here um

1625
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:33,359
my first question is uh through this

1626
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:36,160
process where there's been sightings

1627
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:39,520
have the sightings been stationary or

1628
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:41,440
have they always been

1629
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:44,400
cited from a moving object

1630
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,720
from a plane or a ship that may be

1631
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,920
moving

1632
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,839
have these reports ever come from a

1633
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,680
stationary object

1634
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:53,200
being observed

1635
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:54,640
in the sky

1636
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,520
the uap task force does have uh reports

1637
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,280
from stationary

1638
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,520
uh from state reports from a stationary

1639
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,920
observer there's a difference observing

1640
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:05,440
something when you're moving as well

1641
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:07,359
it's physics right that's why i asked

1642
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:08,640
that question

1643
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,520
uh

1644
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,680
are we capable or have we made any

1645
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,440
breakthroughs or anyone made any

1646
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:15,359
breakthroughs to be able to cite

1647
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:16,400
something

1648
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,000
and make some determination at all of

1649
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:22,880
its composition whether it's a solid or

1650
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:24,319
a gas

1651
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,430
um

1652
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:33,599
from not asking what i just right

1653
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,039
from some of the returns i mean it's

1654
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:37,839
clear that uh that the majority well

1655
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,440
it's clear that many of the observations

1656
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:41,839
we have are physical objects uh from the

1657
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,799
the sensor data that we have

1658
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:46,799
well gas is physical as a physical

1659
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:49,039
object it can be and so

1660
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,720
and you see where i'm going with this

1661
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:52,160
i'm trying to determine what it is we're

1662
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:53,680
looking at so if we can decide if

1663
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,319
something is a solid or a gas and and if

1664
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:58,480
there been any conclusion on its

1665
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:01,760
capabilities like its capabilities of

1666
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:05,280
movement uh of turning uh going you know

1667
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:08,240
180 degrees or 90 degree turn anything

1668
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:09,920
along that line that we've been able to

1669
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,400
determine um within the and again i

1670
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,079
should point out that uh you know that

1671
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:16,240
there is not a single explanation for

1672
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:18,079
uap they are make up there are a lot of

1673
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:20,240
different things uh that that are

1674
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,480
unidentified phenomenon basically

1675
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:24,640
we really don't know much on that that's

1676
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,480
that's all i'm trying to get we i'm

1677
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:28,319
pleased that you have protocol right now

1678
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,559
for our military but are there

1679
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,119
any non-military reports coming forward

1680
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:35,280
of similar events or is it all coming

1681
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,799
from military

1682
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,240
the uap task force has a very good

1683
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,640
working relationship with the faa uh

1684
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:42,160
they have very good working relationship

1685
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:44,559
with other parts of the us government so

1686
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:47,839
that we can ingest reports uh from um

1687
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,200
do we have any reports non-military

1688
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:53,359
yes thank you that's that's that's my

1689
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:56,160
question um and do we need to put out

1690
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,240
protocol for civilians that may be in

1691
01:04:02,710 --> 01:04:00,480
that arena like through faa do you think

1692
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,720
that would be appropriate and helpful

1693
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:04,880
i think standardized the reporting

1694
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:07,680
without a doubt is key to helping us get

1695
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,559
to the to ascertain what some of these

1696
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,480
are i think it would be important as

1697
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:14,799
well uh do we um

1698
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:17,920
there are other people besides uh the us

1699
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:19,680
that have had these experiences and

1700
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:22,079
reported them is that correct

1701
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,119
there are that's correct uh is it uh all

1702
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:28,079
of our allies or is it allies and

1703
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:29,920
adversaries what have we learned

1704
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:31,920
publicly so some of that i think sir

1705
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,480
we'll save for closed session

1706
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:36,799
well that goes my next question publicly

1707
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:39,119
have others sit made anything which

1708
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:41,920
would not have to be considered close so

1709
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,359
i don't want you to answer what they've

1710
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,440
said necessarily

1711
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:47,760
allies have uh have seen these china has

1712
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:50,079
established its own version of a uap

1713
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,160
task force so clearly a number of

1714
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:54,720
countries have observations of

1715
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:56,079
of things in the airspace that they

1716
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:58,400
can't identify and uh

1717
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:01,839
do we share data with some with all

1718
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,870
we share data with some and some share

1719
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:08,480
data with us

1720
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,319
but not necessarily all that have

1721
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:12,079
publicly reported something that's

1722
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:12,880
correct

1723
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:13,760
okay

1724
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:14,960
um

1725
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:16,240
and i think that's

1726
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:17,920
an important thing and for the other

1727
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:19,680
session actually that we we don't

1728
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:20,880
discuss

1729
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,119
that now

1730
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:25,039
because you know obviously something

1731
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:26,640
like this can be

1732
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:29,119
a national security challenge for us no

1733
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:30,720
doubt about it if they're developed by

1734
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:33,359
an adversary

1735
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,119
through some breakthrough

1736
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:37,200
technology they can be very disruptive

1737
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,079
to our military actions

1738
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:42,960
or at least serve as a destruction

1739
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:45,599
so my caution would be

1740
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:48,880
be careful who we share our data with

1741
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:51,119
and don't necessarily trust some of the

1742
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,079
data we may get from someone else

1743
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:56,640
and with that i yield back

1744
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:03,670
thank you mr chairman

1745
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,359
one of the objectives of this open

1746
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,520
hearing is to um

1747
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:09,599
try to erode some of the stigma that

1748
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:12,319
attaches to in particular our military

1749
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:13,839
men and women reporting this it's

1750
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:17,440
obviously really very serious because uh

1751
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:19,119
should one of our adversaries have

1752
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:21,280
developed a technology that we don't

1753
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:22,880
know about it we need to know about it

1754
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:25,119
yesterday and and obviously

1755
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:27,680
uh any sort of stigma that prevents our

1756
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:28,720
our

1757
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:30,000
military

1758
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:31,280
from reporting this data as

1759
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:32,799
comprehensively as possible as a

1760
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,960
national security threat so i i really

1761
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:36,720
just have two questions in the service

1762
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:39,039
of that goal uh the first is

1763
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,359
um the chairman asked that we run that

1764
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:43,280
video again most people when they see a

1765
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:45,440
video we're all used to

1766
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,280
seeing things from a car

1767
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:49,359
seeing things from a sidewalk very few

1768
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:51,920
people have the experience of observing

1769
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:53,760
something through night vision goggles

1770
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:56,799
at mach 1.5 so just talk for a minute

1771
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:59,599
about if you would uh whichever of you

1772
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,280
is most appropriate

1773
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:03,280
how radically different

1774
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:05,680
observation is at high speed and three

1775
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:07,839
dimension than it is for most of us who

1776
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:10,799
walk around and drive cars

1777
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:13,119
um so the first thing i think that's

1778
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:14,640
important to note about this is there

1779
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:17,119
are lots of things when you are moving

1780
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:18,400
very fast

1781
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:20,559
and an object is between you and a

1782
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:22,000
stationary reference point like the

1783
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,200
ground

1784
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,720
it gives a lot of different impressions

1785
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:27,200
about how quickly something is or isn't

1786
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,039
moving and it actually

1787
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:31,440
means that it is a challenge uh

1788
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:34,160
especially with narrative-based data

1789
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:35,599
to get a lot of information on that

1790
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:37,280
that's why the sensor data is so

1791
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,119
important because things do happen very

1792
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:41,520
quickly as you see there

1793
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:43,039
and sometimes things that happen very

1794
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:44,720
quickly something may be moving very

1795
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:47,200
slow that aircraft is moving quite fast

1796
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:49,280
how fast that object is moving that goes

1797
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,559
by is probably very slow

1798
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:54,720
so i get i guess my point is that an

1799
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:57,039
observation either a visual observation

1800
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:58,880
or a uh

1801
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:01,440
a uh electronic observation infrared or

1802
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:04,160
whatever uh looks radically different uh

1803
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:06,079
than it does to most people

1804
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,599
um even instruments uh instruments are

1805
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:11,520
on gimbals and that sort of thing so

1806
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:14,480
that creates a very unusual

1807
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,560
uh view to again those of us who are

1808
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:18,239
used to seeing things on in two

1809
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,679
dimensions largely

1810
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:21,440
um

1811
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:22,960
second question

1812
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:25,279
um i think mr bray you said something

1813
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,400
that i want to unpack a little bit uh

1814
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,520
a number of these uaps you said we can't

1815
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:32,880
explain

1816
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:35,440
again in the service of sort of reducing

1817
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:38,319
uh speculation and conspiracy theories

1818
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,080
we can't explain

1819
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:41,920
can range from

1820
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:44,159
a visual observation that was distant on

1821
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,839
a foggy night we don't know what it is

1822
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,520
to

1823
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,759
we've found an organic material that we

1824
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:51,839
can identify right those are radically

1825
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,560
different world worlds so when you say

1826
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:56,640
we can't explain give the public a

1827
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:57,679
little bit

1828
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,159
better sense of where on that spectrum

1829
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:02,480
of we can't explain we are are we

1830
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:04,960
holding materials organic or inorganic

1831
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,880
that we don't know about are we

1832
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:08,640
you know picking up emanations that are

1833
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,880
something other than light or infrared

1834
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:12,159
that could be deemed to be

1835
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:13,839
communications give us a sense for what

1836
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,159
you mean when you say we can't explain

1837
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,480
sure when i say we can't explain i i

1838
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,400
mean exactly as you described there that

1839
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,480
there is a lot of information like the

1840
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:24,000
video that we showed in which there's

1841
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:26,080
simply too little data

1842
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:28,400
to to create a reasonable explanation

1843
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,080
there are a small handful of cases in

1844
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:32,400
which we have more data

1845
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:34,319
that our analysis simply hasn't been

1846
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:37,120
able to uh uh to fully pull together a

1847
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,640
picture of what happened um the um uh

1848
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,000
and those are the cases where we talk

1849
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,560
about where we see some indications of

1850
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,000
flight characteristics or signature

1851
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,400
management uh that are not what we had

1852
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,719
expected uh when it comes to material

1853
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,199
that we have we have no material

1854
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:55,760
we have detected no emanations

1855
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:59,199
within the uap task force that that is

1856
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:01,040
that would suggest it's anything

1857
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:02,719
non-terrestrial

1858
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:03,920
in origin

1859
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:06,159
so there's um when i say unexplained i

1860
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:07,679
mean everything from

1861
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,679
too little too little data

1862
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:11,920
to we simply the data that we have

1863
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:14,239
doesn't point us towards an explanation

1864
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,760
but we'll go wherever the data takes us

1865
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:17,040
again we've made no assumptions about

1866
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,040
what this is or isn't uh we're committed

1867
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:21,120
to understanding these and so we'll go

1868
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,960
wherever that data takes us

1869
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,320
thank you that's that's very helpful

1870
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:26,560
until i think it bears emphasis

1871
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:29,120
when you say we can't explain everything

1872
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:30,960
that you can't explain

1873
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:33,600
is in a bucket called data

1874
01:10:38,910 --> 01:10:36,320
is that correct and that would mean uh

1875
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:38,920
data collected by sensors visual

1876
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,360
observations everything that we can't

1877
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:43,360
explain quote unquote is in a bucket

1878
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,159
called data no other a narrative report

1879
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,640
from uh from the early 2000s if it just

1880
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,320
had a little bit of information on it

1881
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:52,000
would be in our database and it would be

1882
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:54,000
unresolved i would add to that it's

1883
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:55,679
insufficient data i mean that's one of

1884
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:58,000
the challenges we have insufficient data

1885
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:01,040
either on the event itself the object

1886
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,920
itself or insufficient data or plug-in

1887
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,480
with some other organization or agency

1888
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:07,920
that may have had something in that

1889
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:10,560
space at that time so it's a data issue

1890
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:12,080
that we're that we're facing in many of

1891
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:13,840
these instances congressman understood

1892
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:15,920
thank you very much yieldback

1893
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:19,280
gentlemen yields back mr gallagher

1894
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:20,320
thank you mr chairman thank you for

1895
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:21,920
allowing me to join this hearing um i

1896
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:23,360
really appreciate the witnesses

1897
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:26,640
testimony um mr moultrie as the chairman

1898
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,360
uh mentioned uh dod had an initiative to

1899
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:32,159
study ufos in the 1960s called project

1900
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:33,199
blue book

1901
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,120
it's also been well reported in our

1902
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,600
briefing and in other places that we

1903
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:39,280
have more have more recent projects

1904
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:42,560
specifically atip could you describe any

1905
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,199
other initiatives that the dod or dod

1906
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,080
contractors have managed after project

1907
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:50,800
blue book ended and prior to atip

1908
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,199
beginning did anything also predate

1909
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:54,800
project blue book

1910
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:56,800
so i i can't speak to what may have

1911
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:59,840
predated uh project blue book i mean of

1912
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:01,280
course there's roswell and all these

1913
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:02,320
other things that people have talked

1914
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,679
about over the years

1915
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:05,440
um i'm familiar with blue book i'm

1916
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:08,960
familiar with uh with a tip i haven't

1917
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:11,920
seen other documented studies that have

1918
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:14,159
been done by dod in that regard

1919
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,280
so you're not aware of anything in

1920
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:17,920
between project blue book and atip not

1921
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:19,840
aware of anything that's uh official

1922
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:21,760
that was done in between those two it

1923
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,960
hasn't been brought to my attention okay

1924
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:26,480
additionally are you aware of any other

1925
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:29,600
dod or dod contract programs focused on

1926
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,400
uaps from a technological engineering

1927
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,320
perspective and by that i mean are you

1928
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:36,080
aware of any technology initiatives

1929
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:37,679
focused on this topic

1930
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:39,679
other than initiatives focused on the

1931
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,040
individual case

1932
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:43,199
investigations i am not aware of any

1933
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:46,000
contractual programs that are focused on

1934
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:46,960
uh

1935
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:49,280
any anything related to

1936
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,120
this other than what we are doing in the

1937
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:53,440
navy task force and what we are about to

1938
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,360
launch in terms of our effort

1939
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:57,360
same question for you mr brown

1940
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,120
uh same answer not aware of anything

1941
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:01,040
outside what we uh are doing in the uap

1942
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,640
task force so just confirm you're not

1943
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,640
aware of any technology or engineering

1944
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:06,640
resources that have been focused on

1945
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:08,080
these efforts besides what we've

1946
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:09,440
mentioned today

1947
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:14,790
or

1948
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,840
the reason why i i qualified

1949
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,679
yeah let me qualify it that way

1950
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:23,600
i can't speak to what people may be

1951
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:25,040
looking at in the department somebody

1952
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:26,400
says i'm looking at something i'm

1953
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:27,760
looking at something that may be

1954
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:30,000
unidentified and i can't speak to that

1955
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:31,840
speak to official programs we have on

1956
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:33,199
the record

1957
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:34,719
it's also been reported uh that there

1958
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:37,120
have been uap observed and interacting

1959
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:39,040
with and flying over sensitive military

1960
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:40,800
facilities particularly not just ranges

1961
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:42,800
but uh some facilities housing our

1962
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:44,719
strategic nuclear forces one such

1963
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,520
incident allegedly occurred

1964
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,520
at malmstrom air force base in which 10

1965
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,120
of our nuclear icbms were rendered

1966
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:53,360
inoperable at the same time a glowing

1967
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:55,120
red orb was observed overhead i'm not

1968
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,560
commenting on the accuracy of this i'm

1969
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,800
simply asking you whether you're aware

1970
01:14:01,669 --> 01:14:00,239
of it and whether you have any comment

1971
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,679
on the accuracy of that report we passed

1972
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,280
that to mr bray if you've been looking

1973
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:05,360
at uaps over the last three years that

1974
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:07,280
data is not uh within the holdings of

1975
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:09,760
the uap task force

1976
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:12,880
okay but are you aware of the the report

1977
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:16,239
or that the data exists somewhere

1978
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,159
i have uh

1979
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:19,920
i have heard stories i have not seen the

1980
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:21,520
official data on that so you just seen

1981
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:24,880
informal stories no official assessment

1982
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:27,600
that you've done or exists within dod

1983
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:29,440
that you're aware of regarding the

1984
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:32,239
malmstrom incident

1985
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,520
all i can think is you know what's

1986
01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:35,280
within my cognizance the uap task force

1987
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:37,679
and we have not looked at that incident

1988
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,719
well i was i missed a pretty high

1989
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:40,719
profile incident i i don't claim to be

1990
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,520
an expert on this but that's out there

1991
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:45,600
in the ether

1992
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:47,520
you're you're the guy's investigating it

1993
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:49,520
i mean who else is doing it if something

1994
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:51,199
was officially brought to our attention

1995
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:52,880
we would look at it there are many

1996
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:54,000
things that are out there in the ether

1997
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:55,520
that aren't officially brought to our

1998
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:56,480
attention how would it have to be

1999
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:58,239
officially brought to your community i'm

2000
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,679
bringing it to you

2001
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:01,679
this is pretty official sure so we'll go

2002
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,040
back and take a look at it but generally

2003
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,920
there is some um authoritative figure

2004
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:07,280
that says there is an incident that

2005
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,600
occurred we'd like you to look at this

2006
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:11,199
but in terms of just tracking what may

2007
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,640
be in the media that says that something

2008
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:15,120
occurred at this time at this place

2009
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:16,640
there are probably a lot of leads that

2010
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:17,840
we would have to follow up on i don't

2011
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:19,199
think we were resourced to do that right

2012
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,239
now well i don't claim to be an

2013
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:22,080
authoritative figure but for what it's

2014
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:24,080
worth i would like you to look into it

2015
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,440
for another reason you could dismiss it

2016
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:27,600
and say this is not worth wasting

2017
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:30,080
resources on um and then finally are you

2018
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:31,600
aware of a document that appeared around

2019
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:34,159
2019 sometimes called the admiral wilson

2020
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:42,390
i'm not personally aware of that okay

2021
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:44,080
this is a document in which again i'm

2022
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:45,760
not commenting on the veracity i was

2023
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,520
hoping you would help me with that in

2024
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:49,520
which a former head of dia claims to

2025
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,360
have had a conversation with the doctor

2026
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,679
eric wilson and claims to have sort of

2027
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:55,920
been made aware of certain

2028
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:58,640
contractors or dod programs

2029
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,880
that he tried to get fuller access to

2030
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:02,400
and was denied

2031
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,520
access to um so you're not aware of that

2032
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:07,520
i'm not aware congressman uh in my 10

2033
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:08,880
seconds remaining then i guess i just

2034
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:10,640
would ask mr chairman unanimous consent

2035
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,709
without objection thank you mr chairman

2036
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:18,719
appreciate it

2037
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,360
mr christie murthy

2038
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:23,040
thank you mr chair and thank you to both

2039
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:24,880
of you for appearing today and for your

2040
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:27,920
public service first question is uh

2041
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:30,480
there have been no collisions between

2042
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:33,040
any u.s assets in one of these

2043
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:34,960
uaps correct

2044
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,400
we have not had a collision we've had at

2045
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,560
least 11 near misses though

2046
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:40,560
and

2047
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:42,159
maybe we'll talk about those 11 near

2048
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:43,920
misses or any place where there's close

2049
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,840
proximity

2050
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:47,120
i assume

2051
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:50,320
or tell me if i'm wrong there's been no

2052
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:51,760
attempt

2053
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:54,560
there's no communications

2054
01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:56,800
or any kind of

2055
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:58,960
communication signals that emanate from

2056
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:00,800
those objects

2057
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:03,040
that we've detected correct

2058
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:04,880
that's correct and have we attempted to

2059
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:07,040
communicate with those objects

2060
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,480
uh

2061
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,080
no

2062
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:12,800
so we don't we don't even put out a

2063
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,120
alert saying you know uh us um

2064
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:19,679
identi you know identify yourself

2065
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:21,679
uh you are you know within our flight

2066
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:23,199
path or something like that we haven't

2067
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:25,600
said anything like that

2068
01:17:30,149 --> 01:17:27,520
we've not put anything out like that

2069
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:30,159
generally speaking uh what you know for

2070
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:31,360
example in the video that we showed

2071
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:33,679
earlier uh it appears to be something

2072
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:36,320
that is uh you know unmanned uh appears

2073
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:37,920
to be something that uh

2074
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:40,320
may or may not be in controlled flight

2075
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:42,560
uh and so we've not attempted any

2076
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:45,199
communication with that

2077
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,440
okay so um

2078
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:49,920
and i assume we've never discharged any

2079
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:53,440
armaments against a uap correct

2080
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,640
that's correct

2081
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:56,880
um how about wreckage

2082
01:18:02,149 --> 01:17:59,520
have we come across any wreckage

2083
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,159
of any kind of

2084
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:04,080
object that

2085
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:07,440
has now been examined by you

2086
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,800
the uap task force doesn't have any

2087
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,239
wreckage that isn't

2088
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:12,480
explainable that isn't consistent with

2089
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:14,159
being of terrestrial origin

2090
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:17,520
do we have any sensors underwater uh to

2091
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:18,800
uh

2092
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,719
that is in the ocean or in the seas so i

2093
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:26,400
think that would be more appropriately

2094
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:28,960
addressed in closed session sir okay

2095
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:30,880
um

2096
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:32,320
i think one of the biggest questions

2097
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,840
that uh that

2098
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:35,520
that i have is

2099
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:36,719
um

2100
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:39,040
we say with a lot of probability we say

2101
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:42,159
they quote unquote probably do represent

2102
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,760
physical objects

2103
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:45,040
close quote

2104
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:46,320
um

2105
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:48,400
when we say probably

2106
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:51,520
is that because we cannot conclusively

2107
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:54,640
say that they are physical objects

2108
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:57,600
in the task force uh report uh when when

2109
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,440
i say probably uh represent physical

2110
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:01,679
objects uh most of them represent

2111
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:03,199
physical objects there could be some

2112
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:05,280
that are more of a uh

2113
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:06,480
of a

2114
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:08,159
meteorological phenomena something like

2115
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:09,679
that that may not

2116
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:12,640
uh be a physical object in the

2117
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:13,840
in the sense that most people think of

2118
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:15,679
something you go up and touch but the

2119
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,159
ones where you say most of them

2120
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:20,480
represent physical objects can you say

2121
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:23,280
that they are definitely like with 100

2122
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:26,080
certainty that they are physical objects

2123
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:27,760
i can say with certainty that uh a

2124
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:30,000
number of these are physical objects

2125
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,320
okay so there we can't rule out that

2126
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,560
some of them may not be physical objects

2127
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:37,199
some certainly could be a sensor anomaly

2128
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:39,760
uh or something like that some could be

2129
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,120
now how about uh with regard to uaps

2130
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:45,600
we've talked about uips on training

2131
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:46,719
areas

2132
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,080
but obviously

2133
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:50,480
um there's some sensor bias i would

2134
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:52,400
think we we put sensors in training

2135
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:55,120
areas um how about with regards to

2136
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:58,400
non-training areas do we track what's an

2137
01:20:03,189 --> 01:19:59,760
open source

2138
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:03,199
um and what civilians and others have

2139
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:06,159
tracked and have we found similarities

2140
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:07,440
to

2141
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:09,600
what they've observed in terms of uaps

2142
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:12,000
and non-training areas to the ones that

2143
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:14,159
are in training areas

2144
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:16,000
the uap task force has

2145
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:17,520
worked very hard to to make sure the

2146
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:19,520
data set that we're working with is a

2147
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,600
data set that we have very good uh

2148
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,000
control over that data uh so we have

2149
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:26,000
some partnerships with faa so that we

2150
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,360
get some of that so we get that

2151
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,760
reporting in um but if it comes to just

2152
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:31,920
you know open source reports or someone

2153
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:33,120
says that they saw something that

2154
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:34,480
generally does not make it into our

2155
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:37,120
database so basically it sounds like we

2156
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,320
have a good partnership with faa

2157
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,239
but apart from faa we don't have

2158
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:44,400
partnerships with other agencies or

2159
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:45,440
other

2160
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:46,480
entities

2161
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,040
that might be tracking so that we could

2162
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:51,840
enlarge our data set to make comparison

2163
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,679
so we will so that's the goal of this

2164
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:55,840
next effort will be to expand that

2165
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:58,159
relationship with the uh the rest of

2166
01:21:01,430 --> 01:21:00,080
government and the interagency so we can

2167
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:01,440
understand what they're seeing what

2168
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:03,920
we're seeing we can correlate on each

2169
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:06,000
other's holdings because i think this

2170
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:07,520
sorry to interrupt but i think that

2171
01:21:11,669 --> 01:21:09,760
we're we might have a bias right now

2172
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,679
going on with regard to just reporting

2173
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:13,600
on uaps being in training areas when we

2174
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:15,280
don't really track what's happening

2175
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,360
elsewhere last question have our

2176
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:19,280
encounters with uaps alter the

2177
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:22,080
development of our either our offense or

2178
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:24,159
offensive or defensive capabilities or

2179
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:26,880
even our sensor capabilities

2180
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:28,880
we'd take that for the closed session

2181
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:32,159
okay great thank you

2182
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,560
mr lahood

2183
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:36,400
thank you mr chairman and i want to

2184
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:39,679
thank the witnesses for being here today

2185
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:42,560
obviously this topic of uaps has

2186
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:44,800
attracted a lot of interest in people

2187
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:45,760
that are

2188
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:46,960
um

2189
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:50,960
curious about uh this this hearing today

2190
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,199
as we talk about um

2191
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:55,120
and i would say there's a lot of what i

2192
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:58,239
would call amateur interest groups that

2193
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:00,880
are involved in the uap field

2194
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:03,679
mike my question is when

2195
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:06,000
there are unsubstantiated claims or

2196
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:09,040
manufactured claims of uaps or

2197
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,880
kind of false information that's put out

2198
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:12,560
there

2199
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,719
what are the consequences for people

2200
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:16,480
that are involved with that or groups

2201
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:23,110
so one of the concerns that we have is

2202
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:23,920
that

2203
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:36,239
self-serving

2204
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:37,840
we're trying to do what's in the what's

2205
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:39,760
in the best interest of one the

2206
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:41,840
department of defense and then two

2207
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,120
what's in the best interest of the

2208
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:45,840
public to ensure that we can put factual

2209
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:48,560
based information back into the

2210
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:50,960
mainstream and back into the bloodstream

2211
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:53,920
of the reporting uh media that we have

2212
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:56,239
so people understand what's there

2213
01:23:01,750 --> 01:22:59,679
it's important because we are attempting

2214
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:01,760
as this hearing as drawn out to

2215
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,120
understand

2216
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:05,679
one what may just be natural phenomenon

2217
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,960
to what may be sensor phenomenology or

2218
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:10,480
things that were happening with sensors

2219
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,440
three

2220
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,199
what may be legitimate counter

2221
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,679
intelligence threats to

2222
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:17,280
places that we have or bases or

2223
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:19,760
installations or security threats to our

2224
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:20,960
platforms

2225
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:23,840
and anything that diverts us off of what

2226
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:25,360
we have with the resources that have

2227
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:27,679
been allocated to us send us off in

2228
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,480
these spurious uh chases and hunts that

2229
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:32,159
are just not helpful and they also help

2230
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:33,600
that well they also contribute to the

2231
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,560
undermining of the confidence that the

2232
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:38,639
congress and the american people have

2233
01:23:43,830 --> 01:23:41,679
that we are trying to get to the root

2234
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,840
cause of what's happening here report on

2235
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:45,840
that and then feed that back into our

2236
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,080
national security apparatus so we are

2237
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,239
able to protect the american people and

2238
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,880
our allies so it is harmful it is

2239
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,480
hurtful but hopefully if we get more

2240
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:56,560
information out there we'll start to

2241
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:58,000
lessen the impact of some of those

2242
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:00,239
spurious reports so so just taking that

2243
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,639
a step further so though that

2244
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:04,480
misinformation false narratives

2245
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,920
manufactured so what are the

2246
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:07,440
consequences are there legal

2247
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:09,199
consequences are there examples that you

2248
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,639
can give us where people have been held

2249
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:12,880
accountable by this misinformation or

2250
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,280
disinformation i i can't give you you

2251
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,199
know any examples where somebody's been

2252
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,920
legally held liable for putting

2253
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:21,840
something out there but well i guess

2254
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:23,440
what's the deterrent from people

2255
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,480
engaging in this activity yeah

2256
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,560
i don't i don't know i i don't have that

2257
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,480
answer right that's something that uh

2258
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:32,320
you know welcome to dialogue with

2259
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:34,239
congress to talk about that with the

2260
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:36,320
members who uh you know help legislate

2261
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,199
those laws to say what should be the uh

2262
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,280
the legal ramifications that we could

2263
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,440
use to potentially hold individuals

2264
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:45,360
accountable whether it be

2265
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:46,800
citizens or

2266
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:50,000
information that might be injected into

2267
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:53,199
our media by other uh other forces or

2268
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:54,800
other countries if you will

2269
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:57,600
and in terms of dods and you know review

2270
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,440
and analysis in this field i mean is

2271
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:01,920
there is there a standard in place when

2272
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:03,600
it comes to uaps i mean is there any

2273
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:05,679
guidance you look to that's codified in

2274
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,480
law or otherwise within dod that that

2275
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,560
kind of sets out the standards for uaps

2276
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:12,400
and and what to look for i think that's

2277
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:14,000
part of what the the the group that

2278
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:16,400
we're standing up now will be uh charted

2279
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:18,080
to do we're actually from my

2280
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,920
organization we'll be looking at policy

2281
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:21,760
and standards that we have

2282
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:22,880
to uh

2283
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:24,800
come to you and work with you to

2284
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:26,880
actually put in place and promulgate

2285
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,639
across our government

2286
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:30,480
thank you i yield back

2287
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:33,600
gentleman yields back mr welch

2288
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:35,199
uh thank you a minute i'm going to

2289
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:37,440
follow on the the line of questions from

2290
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:40,400
mr lahood uh gentlemen what seems

2291
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:42,320
incredibly difficult for you is that

2292
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:44,320
there's two almost competing but

2293
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,120
different uh narratives one is uh it's

2294
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:50,880
the no one knows whether there's

2295
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:52,639
extraterrestrial life it's a big

2296
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,960
universe and it would be

2297
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:56,719
uh pretty presumptuous to have a hard

2298
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,280
and fast conclusion and then if there is

2299
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:01,440
uh it's not beyond the realm of

2300
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,040
possibility that there is some

2301
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:05,040
exploration coming here

2302
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:06,880
uh and that underlies a lot of the

2303
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,960
reports you get i think mr lahood was

2304
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:10,480
asking about that people think there

2305
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:12,880
must be extraterrestrial life and it's

2306
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:14,080
not at all

2307
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,239
uh beyond the pale that uh there would

2308
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:18,960
be a visit here on the other hand you as

2309
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:20,719
a dod you have the responsibility to

2310
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:23,920
make sure that our national security is

2311
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:26,159
protected and that if there are

2312
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,480
surveillance drones or

2313
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:30,480
active drones that can disable our

2314
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,679
systems that has to be analyzed has to

2315
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:34,800
be stopped

2316
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,440
so how do you divide the

2317
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:38,960
these how do you separate your

2318
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,840
responsibilities where uh you get all

2319
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,840
these reports

2320
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:45,679
uh from folks who

2321
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:48,080
may be in good faith maybe not

2322
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:50,480
believe that you should be investigating

2323
01:26:55,550 --> 01:26:53,920
every possible uh uh

2324
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:55,560
report of a

2325
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:58,480
extraterrestrial incident i'll start

2326
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:00,159
with you mr moultrie sure indeed

2327
01:27:05,250 --> 01:27:02,000
congressman and and thank you for the

2328
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:05,260
question um it's important that we

2329
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:06,400
[Music]

2330
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:08,960
as a part of this effort

2331
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:10,480
really

2332
01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:11,920
build out the relationship that we have

2333
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:14,000
with others including nasa and for the

2334
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:16,000
reasons that you just pointed out

2335
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:18,080
so there are elements in our government

2336
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:19,280
that are

2337
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:20,960
engaged in

2338
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:23,920
uh looking for life in other places and

2339
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:25,600
they have been doing that for decades

2340
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,400
they've been searching for

2341
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:28,080
extraterrestrial life

2342
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:30,080
uh there are astro biologists who have

2343
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:31,760
been doing this too we're part of that

2344
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:34,480
same government and so our goal is not

2345
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:36,480
to

2346
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:38,239
potentially cover up something if we

2347
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:39,600
were to find something it's to

2348
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:43,440
understand what may be out there

2349
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:45,600
examine what

2350
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:48,159
what it may mean for us if there are any

2351
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:49,920
from a defense perspective any national

2352
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:52,639
security implications or ramifications

2353
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:55,120
but then to work with organizations as

2354
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:56,239
appropriate if it's a weather

2355
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:59,360
phenomenology with noaa if it's a

2356
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,679
potential for extraterrestrial life or

2357
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,440
an indication of extraordinary life with

2358
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:05,280
someone like nasa so

2359
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:07,040
the transparency actually is very

2360
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:09,440
important completely for public uh

2361
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:10,560
consumption

2362
01:28:14,229 --> 01:28:12,400
but we're gonna have a classified

2363
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:14,239
briefing and without going into the

2364
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,600
details

2365
01:28:21,189 --> 01:28:17,679
of what kinds of secrets

2366
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,199
that we can't share here

2367
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:23,360
what is it what are we

2368
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:24,800
protecting i don't know if you can

2369
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:27,440
answer this question

2370
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:29,360
in this open forum

2371
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,679
but in fact uh

2372
01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:33,440
your perception of what it is we have to

2373
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:35,360
quote so i think right now what's really

2374
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:37,840
important for us to protect is uh how we

2375
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,679
know certain things so there are a lot

2376
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:41,360
of things that we know whether it be

2377
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:46,390
the thinking of other leaders around the

2378
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:47,920
world the weapon systems that are being

2379
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:49,840
developed or how we detect things that

2380
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,679
may be threats to us

2381
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:53,440
many of those things are

2382
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:55,120
the result of some of our most sensitive

2383
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:56,800
sources and methods and we'll use those

2384
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:58,800
things not just for this effort but

2385
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:01,199
those same sources and methods are used

2386
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:04,080
to help protect us from adversaries and

2387
01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:06,000
from others who might mean to do us harm

2388
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:07,760
there aren't separate

2389
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:10,800
uap sensors it's not a separate uap

2390
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:13,040
processing computer it is not a separate

2391
01:29:17,350 --> 01:29:15,520
uap dissemination chain or whatever so

2392
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:17,360
it's the same process it's the same

2393
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:19,040
system that we have that helps us do all

2394
01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:22,159
that we need to protect that because

2395
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:24,239
this is something that uh that we're

2396
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:25,600
looking at but we're sure there are

2397
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:26,639
going to be other things that we'll look

2398
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:28,159
at in the future that will need those

2399
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:29,920
same sensors we'll need those same

2400
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:31,679
sources and methods to help us do so

2401
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:33,520
we're protecting the fact of the that

2402
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:35,520
this nation has developed capabilities

2403
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:38,639
that enable us to know what may be

2404
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:40,639
threats to us and to counter those

2405
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:43,440
threats before they uh become something

2406
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:45,760
of a a national issue thank you very

2407
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,760
much i want to thank both you mr brandon

2408
01:29:52,149 --> 01:29:49,679
you mr multry for your appearance today

2409
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,159
i yield back

2410
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:54,480
gentleman yields back

2411
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:56,639
gentlemen beyond videos

2412
01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:59,840
is there a range of other information

2413
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:01,840
that the executive branch has that would

2414
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:04,080
be valuable to the american people

2415
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:05,920
while protecting sources and methods

2416
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:07,440
obviously

2417
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:09,920
the details of individual encounters

2418
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:11,840
including the time place and details of

2419
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:15,199
an encounter and does the aim song have

2420
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:19,199
a clear and repeatable process

2421
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:21,760
for considering public release

2422
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:24,080
uh as part of the process

2423
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:26,000
jaren carson the um do you commit to

2424
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:27,360
building that process if it's not in

2425
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:30,159
place uh the uap task force uh you know

2426
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:32,320
the the security classification guide uh

2427
01:30:36,790 --> 01:30:34,320
that the uap task force has been

2428
01:30:38,149 --> 01:30:36,800
operating under that i approved um

2429
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:38,159
really was meant to protect those

2430
01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:40,960
sources and methods and meant to protect

2431
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:42,239
any knowledge

2432
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:44,639
that an adversary intelligence

2433
01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:46,080
entity may gain

2434
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:48,320
from under from understanding what we're

2435
01:30:52,149 --> 01:30:51,120
trying um when we're tracking it or if

2436
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:52,159
we're not

2437
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:54,480
um and so that has been an important

2438
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:56,480
piece uh in the balance between

2439
01:31:01,590 --> 01:30:59,280
transparency uh and preserving our

2440
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:01,600
warfighting advantage because the us

2441
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:04,320
military does train as it would fight

2442
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:06,000
um what i

2443
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:08,639
will commit to uh is at least for that

2444
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:11,520
material that's under my authority um as

2445
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:12,480
the deputy director of naval

2446
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:16,400
intelligence um for

2447
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:18,320
information that we have when it does

2448
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:21,760
not involve sources of methods uh or and

2449
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:23,120
when we can

2450
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:25,199
with a reasonable uh degree of

2451
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:26,800
confidence determine that it does not

2452
01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:28,800
pose a foreign intelligence or national

2453
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:30,960
security threat uh and it's within my

2454
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:32,239
authority to do so i commit to

2455
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:34,800
declassifying that so i i believe very

2456
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:37,120
much in the transparency of this uh and

2457
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:39,120
we work very hard to balance that uh

2458
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:40,719
with our national security needs and

2459
01:31:45,990 --> 01:31:43,199
i'll just add congressman um just over

2460
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:46,000
the last three four months i think that

2461
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:47,520
the

2462
01:31:53,510 --> 01:31:51,520
national defense apparatus have

2463
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:53,520
disclosed more information on various

2464
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:55,760
events than it has and

2465
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:59,199
probably see the previous 10 years

2466
01:32:01,910 --> 01:32:00,800
you have our commitment to work closely

2467
01:32:03,669 --> 01:32:01,920
with the director of national

2468
01:32:05,229 --> 01:32:03,679
intelligence and

2469
01:32:07,270 --> 01:32:05,239
others in the

2470
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:07,280
declassification and downgrading of

2471
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:08,480
intel

2472
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:10,000
apparatus to ensure that we can get

2473
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:11,520
whatever information that we can out to

2474
01:32:15,189 --> 01:32:13,600
the american people and to the public at

2475
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:15,199
large

2476
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:17,120
greatly appreciate it sir ranking member

2477
01:32:22,149 --> 01:32:19,440
crawford thank you mr chairman um

2478
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:22,159
representative stefanik is in route i

2479
01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:23,520
believe just real quickly but in the

2480
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:25,440
interim if i could if you'll indulge me

2481
01:32:30,149 --> 01:32:27,760
i just have one a couple real small

2482
01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:30,159
questions one is

2483
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:32,320
do we have an example can you decide a

2484
01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:34,880
specific example of an object that can't

2485
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:37,520
be explained as having been human-made

2486
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:42,970
i mean the the um

2487
01:32:47,110 --> 01:32:44,239
[Music]

2488
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:47,120
the example that that i would say that

2489
01:32:50,709 --> 01:32:49,199
is still unresolved uh that i think

2490
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:50,719
everyone understands quite well is the

2491
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:54,960
2004 uh incident from from nimitz uh we

2492
01:32:58,070 --> 01:32:55,760
have

2493
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:58,080
data on that and it simply remains

2494
01:33:02,950 --> 01:33:00,639
unresolved uh does not mean it resolves

2495
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:02,960
to being something right that is easily

2496
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:05,280
explainable or uh difficulty or well

2497
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:06,400
obviously it resolves being something

2498
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:08,480
that is difficult to explain

2499
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:10,639
but i i can't point to something that

2500
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:12,800
definitively was not

2501
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:14,159
man-made but i can point to a number of

2502
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:16,239
examples in which remain unresolved

2503
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:18,639
gotcha uh with regard to videos that

2504
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:20,480
have appeared in open source channels

2505
01:33:24,550 --> 01:33:22,480
for example the tic tac video

2506
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:24,560
does aimsog maintain control of videos

2507
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:26,159
and how do you prevent

2508
01:33:30,709 --> 01:33:28,320
leaks of potentially classified videos

2509
01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:30,719
or other material

2510
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:33,440
so the aims log as we establish that

2511
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,040
organization we will have a a process

2512
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:39,600
for classified and compartment holdings

2513
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:40,960
and we will find a way of getting

2514
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:43,360
positive control over those we have

2515
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:45,679
uh our sensitive access programs and

2516
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:47,440
special access programs that allow us to

2517
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:49,120
put what we call saps around things and

2518
01:33:53,590 --> 01:33:51,120
then there's controlled access programs

2519
01:33:54,790 --> 01:33:53,600
allow us but caps around things so we'll

2520
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:54,800
have that

2521
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:56,080
in place

2522
01:33:59,669 --> 01:33:58,080
our goal will be

2523
01:34:01,110 --> 01:33:59,679
ensuring that we're sharing that with

2524
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:01,120
the appropriate analysts and the

2525
01:34:04,709 --> 01:34:03,280
appropriate exploiters if you will who

2526
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:04,719
can look at that data too what we don't

2527
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:07,040
want to do is bring something into a dod

2528
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:09,520
database or a dod holding and then have

2529
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:10,800
so many rappers around it's not

2530
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:13,040
available to those who really need to

2531
01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:14,800
look at it and to exploit it and that's

2532
01:34:18,310 --> 01:34:16,480
one of the reasons we're establishing

2533
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:18,320
relationships with the interagency with

2534
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:19,840
the ic and others to be able to do that

2535
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:22,239
sir but we will do our best to maintain

2536
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:24,000
positive control over the materials that

2537
01:34:27,669 --> 01:34:25,679
we have within our holdings

2538
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:27,679
thank you

2539
01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:29,840
chairmanship

2540
01:34:34,629 --> 01:34:31,440
thank you mr chairman just going back to

2541
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:34,639
the 2021 report um

2542
01:34:38,629 --> 01:34:36,560
you know under the category of

2543
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:38,639
uap appear to demonstrate advanced

2544
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:40,960
technology those 18

2545
01:34:44,550 --> 01:34:43,280
incidents

2546
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:44,560
in which

2547
01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:46,560
some of the uap appeared to remain

2548
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:48,320
stationary winds aloft move against the

2549
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:50,560
wind maneuver abruptly or move at

2550
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:52,320
considerable speed without discernible

2551
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:54,080
means propulsion

2552
01:34:58,149 --> 01:34:55,600
it goes on to say in a small number of

2553
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:58,159
cases military aircraft systems

2554
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:00,800
processed radio frequency energy

2555
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:03,360
associated with uap sightings

2556
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:04,400
um

2557
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:05,920
i couldn't tell from that whether that

2558
01:35:12,070 --> 01:35:07,840
small number of cases

2559
01:35:15,109 --> 01:35:12,080
was a part of the subset of 18 that is

2560
01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:15,119
among the 18 which appeared to move uh

2561
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:16,639
with unusual pattern or flight

2562
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,000
characteristics

2563
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:20,239
did some of those

2564
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:28,229
i would have to check with our uap task

2565
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:29,520
force on that i

2566
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:31,119
uh

2567
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:33,040
i believe without getting into specifics

2568
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:34,320
that we can do in the in the closed

2569
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:37,199
session uh at least some that we have

2570
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:40,480
detected uh rf uh emissions from were

2571
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:44,880
not uh behaving uh oddly otherwise

2572
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:47,600
uh and and the significance of

2573
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:51,679
uh measuring that radiofrequency energy

2574
01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:54,239
is what that uh we suspect that this was

2575
01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:56,560
a some form of aircraft in which there

2576
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:58,960
were radio transmissions

2577
01:36:02,149 --> 01:36:00,239
the biggest thing that you're looking

2578
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:02,159
for there is any indication of of an

2579
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:04,719
effort to jam uh whatever sensors that

2580
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:06,800
we may have looking at it but i would

2581
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:09,760
also also add to that that the radio

2582
01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:11,600
frequency as you know congressman is

2583
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:14,800
used to control uh various platforms too

2584
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:18,000
so the fact of uh emanations coming off

2585
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:21,520
of any platform whether it be a uav or

2586
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:22,960
another platform

2587
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:26,560
could be radio frequency activity

2588
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:29,360
related to that entity

2589
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:31,280
transmitting out or

2590
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:33,440
something transmitting to that platform

2591
01:36:37,109 --> 01:36:35,440
and of course we have a sensitivity with

2592
01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:37,119
our airborne platforms and picking it up

2593
01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:38,800
which is one of the reasons that we try

2594
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:40,239
to prevent people from using their cell

2595
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:41,920
phones on airplanes and things like that

2596
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:45,040
it's very sensitive to rf emanation so

2597
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:46,560
that's a part of what we'll be looking

2598
01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:48,320
at in the aim sog what is this is this

2599
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:50,480
something that we can collect on and can

2600
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:52,480
we start to characterize the signaling

2601
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:54,560
environment around the emanations that

2602
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:57,199
may be coming off of some of these uaps

2603
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:00,239
so that that energy then um that was

2604
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:02,960
recorded could be either

2605
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:04,400
an effort to jam or it could be an

2606
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:09,990
or

2607
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:12,719
any other communication with that uh

2608
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:14,880
craft i would say that's accurate

2609
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:17,360
right thank you mr chairman

2610
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:23,270
as the odni report makes clear one

2611
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:26,480
possible explanation for uaps is that

2612
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:29,119
we are detecting u.s aircraft either

2613
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:31,040
secret air programs or even test

2614
01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:33,360
prototypes

2615
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:34,880
i won't ask you in this setting

2616
01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:37,440
obviously to describe any secret dod

2617
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:40,400
programs that said i do want to make

2618
01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:42,400
sure the u.s government isn't chasing

2619
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:44,800
its own tail

2620
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:46,560
firstly do you have a clear and

2621
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:48,800
repeatable process to check with

2622
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:50,560
compartmented programs about whether a

2623
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:52,000
uap sighting

2624
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:55,360
is attributable to a u.s aircraft

2625
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:56,719
secondly do

2626
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,080
does the aimsaw

2627
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:00,400
staff have the clearances

2628
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:03,040
and read-ons that they need to

2629
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:04,880
investigate all of these incidents and

2630
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:06,560
and and thirdly

2631
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:09,600
when your staff cannot be read on

2632
01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:10,480
uh

2633
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:12,719
are your questions to those who are read

2634
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:14,880
on even being answered

2635
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:17,440
so i'll start and then i'll pass that to

2636
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:20,080
uh to mr bray so we're very conscious of

2637
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:23,600
the potential blue on blue issue or u.s

2638
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:25,199
on u.s and so

2639
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:26,880
we've established relationships with

2640
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:29,360
organizations and entities that

2641
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:32,880
that are uh potentially uh flying or

2642
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:34,880
developing platforms for their own

2643
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:37,679
interests if you will and our goal is to

2644
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:39,119
continue and we have a repeatable

2645
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:40,880
process i think we've had that process

2646
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:42,239
for some time

2647
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:45,520
to deconflict uh activities that we may

2648
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:47,199
have to ensure that we are not

2649
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:49,119
potentially reporting on something that

2650
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:50,159
may be

2651
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:53,199
a developmental platform or a u.s

2652
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,920
operational platform that is performing

2653
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:57,440
uh either testing or performing a

2654
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:00,320
mission so we will have that uh in place

2655
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:02,400
we've already had those discussions with

2656
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,679
organizations and entities we want to uh

2657
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:07,920
ensure that we're protecting their

2658
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:09,280
equities we want to ensure that we're

2659
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:10,800
protecting their sources and methods

2660
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:13,199
while also getting at what we have here

2661
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:15,679
we want to be able to deconflict those

2662
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:17,760
absolutely the uap task force has uh uh

2663
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:20,639
had a a process in place to work uh with

2664
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:21,600
other elements of the department of

2665
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:22,639
defense and other elements of the

2666
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:24,560
government to ensure that

2667
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,280
that there's an uh as simple a way as

2668
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:29,600
possible to deconflict those and when we

2669
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:31,679
reference that in the uh in the report

2670
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,400
uh i should say that we were um simply

2671
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:36,960
accounting for the fact that there could

2672
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:39,840
possibly be one or two uh data points

2673
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:41,440
that had that it leaked through but we

2674
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:42,960
were quite confident that was not the

2675
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:50,709
how how are you all liaisoning with

2676
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:52,560
space command

2677
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,719
specifically how are you

2678
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:56,880
partnering with the parts

2679
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:58,480
of the u.s based

2680
01:40:01,510 --> 01:40:00,480
command responsible for space domain

2681
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:01,520
awareness

2682
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:03,600
and how if at all are you

2683
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:05,840
partnering with the space force to

2684
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:09,199
analyze uaps

2685
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:12,639
the uap task force uh has um

2686
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:14,960
has a very good relationship with space

2687
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:16,000
force as it does with the rest of the

2688
01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:18,480
department of defense uh we have

2689
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:20,480
pulled analysts in from space force to

2690
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:22,000
ensure that uh

2691
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:23,840
that we're availing ourselves of that

2692
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:26,719
expertise uh as well as um

2693
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:29,119
any um any other material they may have

2694
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:30,400
that would be helpful

2695
01:40:35,350 --> 01:40:33,119
and the congressman as you know um uh

2696
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:35,360
space force and space command they have

2697
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:37,040
responsibility for space domain

2698
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:38,639
awareness so what we've done we

2699
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:40,880
coordinate it with uh with space force

2700
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:43,920
we coordinate with their j2 and

2701
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:45,920
she is on board in terms of helping us

2702
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:47,280
plug into

2703
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:49,600
what they have and for us to have this

2704
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:51,600
interactive exchange of information and

2705
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:53,119
data and we're doing that with all the

2706
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,800
services not just with space force or

2707
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:56,719
space command

2708
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:58,400
thank you sir thank you member any

2709
01:41:02,070 --> 01:40:59,840
additional questions all right

2710
01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:02,080
chairmanship

2711
01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:03,920
all right uh with that i want to thank

2712
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:05,679
you all for for taking the time out i

2713
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:07,520
also want to thank my colleagues on both

2714
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:09,280
sides of the aisle for

2715
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:11,760
participating in this very

2716
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:14,320
historical and important

2717
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:16,480
hearing i think it's one of the few

2718
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:18,400
times we can demonstrate some degree of

2719
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,600
bipartisanship around uaps and ufos so i

2720
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:23,679
love it appreciate it thank you and we

2721
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:25,760
will see you all we will recess this

2722
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:27,520
hearing for the moment and return in a

2723
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:43,510
i think that's it right let's see what

2724
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:48,950
it's one of the few times we can

2725
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:50,239
demonstrate some degree of

2726
01:41:55,510 --> 01:41:53,440
bipartisanship around uaps and ufos so i

2727
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:55,520
love it appreciate it thank you and we

2728
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:57,600
will see you all we will recess this

2729
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:59,280
hearing for the moment and return in a

2730
01:42:05,350 --> 01:42:00,480
closed session

2731
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:07,030
yeah um

2732
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:09,600
that's it

2733
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:12,880
like i said my expectations were zero so

2734
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:15,679
and they actually my expectations were

2735
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:17,760
very low and this actually i might i

2736
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:19,040
don't think it even reached my

2737
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:20,880
expectations it was pretty much i mean

2738
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:22,239
there's some things interesting in there

2739
01:42:25,669 --> 01:42:24,080
but nothing

2740
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:25,679
nothing major

2741
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:28,080
um if you guys have any questions any

2742
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:29,199
comments

2743
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:32,560
use that link i just put in there

2744
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:38,390
and i can go through the whole hearing

2745
01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:40,639
my notes are not perfect but you could

2746
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:42,560
use that link

2747
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:45,199
and you know i was not expecting the

2748
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:47,199
admiral wilson documents to come up so

2749
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,719
either that

2750
01:42:52,629 --> 01:42:50,480
gentleman

2751
01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:52,639
had an interest or somebody passed them

2752
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:53,840
on to him you know he got him in the

2753
01:43:03,189 --> 01:42:56,880
public record so that's good

2754
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:04,070
you know

2755
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:10,639
just as in passing

2756
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:18,550
all right if you guys

2757
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:19,840
i don't know how much there really is to

2758
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:23,440
say about this except

2759
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:25,119
it's

2760
01:43:29,189 --> 01:43:27,040
less than what i and my expectations

2761
01:43:31,189 --> 01:43:29,199
were low

2762
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:31,199
so

2763
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:33,520
you know i'm not that disappointed but i

2764
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:40,870
what about you guys

2765
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:45,600
i will add in bt hey bt are you there

2766
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:53,830
yeah wilson documents are in the

2767
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:55,119
official record more people will see

2768
01:44:04,390 --> 01:43:56,960
them but you know that's not that big of

2769
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:05,750
hopefully julibrand brandon rubio will

2770
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:07,280
call lou and aaron wilson an open

2771
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:09,760
hearing in the senate now yeah well it's

2772
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:11,199
it's really not admiral wilson you want

2773
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:12,639
to hear from i mean that's he could be

2774
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,000
part of it but you want to hear from the

2775
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:16,560
people who are actually in the program

2776
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:19,119
that he was allegedly shut out of you

2777
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:20,159
want to hear from the people in the

2778
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:22,480
program and they need they need amnesty

2779
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:24,000
and people were throwing around you know

2780
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:26,560
in bender's article he suggested amnesty

2781
01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:27,840
and people were hoping it would be

2782
01:44:33,270 --> 01:44:29,920
brought up but you know it wasn't

2783
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:35,270
really

2784
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:36,800
i thought you know that's interesting

2785
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:38,320
you thought it it exceeded my

2786
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:39,600
expectations there were some good

2787
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:41,199
questions you know definitely some good

2788
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:42,480
questions

2789
01:44:46,480 --> 01:44:49,910
earlier

2790
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:51,669
i can't find

2791
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:53,840
all of the comments from earlier damn it

2792
01:45:03,189 --> 01:45:01,990
because you can you can do just audio if

2793
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:03,199
you want yeah there were blue book

2794
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,880
questions nothing about whatsapp atip

2795
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:06,960
was mentioned but nothing

2796
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:09,360
i mean 2004 you could say well that was

2797
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:11,199
awesome and a tip also investigated but

2798
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:13,119
yeah asap they weren't going to go in

2799
01:45:16,149 --> 01:45:14,719
their asap

2800
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:16,159
maybe i don't remember somebody

2801
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:17,440
mentioned

2802
01:45:22,310 --> 01:45:20,639
uh health-related effects

2803
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:22,320
but

2804
01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:30,070
the wilson documents are worthless to

2805
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:31,840
anyone who has not spent a few hours

2806
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:33,600
learning context and stuff you can see

2807
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:35,040
the docs without knowing anything about

2808
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:36,880
it it's not going to make a difference

2809
01:45:39,189 --> 01:45:38,480
doesn't matter it's in the public record

2810
01:45:42,629 --> 01:45:39,199
so

2811
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:42,639
that people will look at that and say

2812
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:44,639
what is this but it's a it's nice to

2813
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:46,560
have that in the public record so

2814
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:53,669
they are not inclusive and don't have

2815
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:55,199
formidable follow-up questions they take

2816
01:45:58,470 --> 01:45:56,800
their responses at face value yeah they

2817
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:58,480
didn't press them enough i'm not sure

2818
01:46:01,510 --> 01:46:00,000
what pressing you know pressing would

2819
01:46:04,149 --> 01:46:01,520
have done

2820
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:06,470
we need we all know lou needs to be up

2821
01:46:10,709 --> 01:46:08,880
there because lou will speak to what he

2822
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:10,719
experienced in atip and he can go as far

2823
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:12,480
as he possibly can

2824
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:14,239
and those folks know who i'm sure they

2825
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:16,159
know who lou is so

2826
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:18,000
yeah this is a first step

2827
01:46:21,830 --> 01:46:19,840
first step but

2828
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:21,840
yeah they did that was one good thing

2829
01:46:25,830 --> 01:46:23,520
they brought up the tic tac and said it

2830
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:25,840
was unknown and also when they started

2831
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:27,280
going into the

2832
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:29,760
you know it's our it's possibly our

2833
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:39,750
i

2834
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:49,199
and return

2835
01:46:52,629 --> 01:46:51,199
at noon so

2836
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:52,639
you know they brought up the possibility

2837
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:54,800
that it was our technology and then bray

2838
01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:56,960
said well yeah well in that report

2839
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:58,480
because he referenced the report i think

2840
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:00,719
that was shift

2841
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:02,800
it was bray who said but that was only a

2842
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:05,440
couple of incidences a couple of a

2843
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:07,920
couple of incidents we thought might be

2844
01:47:12,709 --> 01:47:10,320
possibly our technology but we're pretty

2845
01:47:14,470 --> 01:47:12,719
sure it's not so that's them saying that

2846
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:14,480
of course you can make the argument that

2847
01:47:18,390 --> 01:47:16,320
if it is our technology there's no way

2848
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:18,400
in hell they're going to admit it

2849
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:19,360
although

2850
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:20,960
you know some of it

2851
01:47:24,790 --> 01:47:22,960
some of the instances when these guys do

2852
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:24,800
come across black technology they're

2853
01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:26,480
they're they're taken in they signed an

2854
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:27,520
nda

2855
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:29,440
and they're briefed on it but of course

2856
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:36,470
a lot of what was said is in direct

2857
01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:38,159
contradiction to what lou has said i

2858
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:40,000
wonder how he feels about this he's

2859
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:42,080
probably not surprised he warned people

2860
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,159
to lower your expectations and yeah they

2861
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:46,800
tried to really hammer home air clutter

2862
01:47:51,189 --> 01:47:49,119
and you know things like that

2863
01:47:57,669 --> 01:47:51,199
you know

2864
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:57,679
i wouldn't get too disappointed uh

2865
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:59,199
hopefully it's not too long before we

2866
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:01,119
get the senate and hopefully we get some

2867
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:02,639
other information

2868
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:04,320
for me i'm just looking forward to

2869
01:48:07,750 --> 01:48:05,840
reading this book first of all i love

2870
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:07,760
reading you know skinwalkers at the

2871
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:10,000
pentagon was great for me

2872
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:11,360
um and i just want to see what lou has

2873
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:13,440
to say see whatever surprises he has in

2874
01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:18,950
ray looked a bit uncomfortable at times

2875
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:20,159
got them on the record saying they're

2876
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:21,920
not aware of any program between blue

2877
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:24,000
book and atip yes that was important

2878
01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:26,080
thank you for bringing that up so well

2879
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:28,960
we're not aware of any official program

2880
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:31,440
oh i forget the exact word

2881
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:34,320
if he said uh

2882
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:36,639
documented or i know he said he's

2883
01:48:41,590 --> 01:48:39,679
talking about programmatic

2884
01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:41,600
but

2885
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:44,080
he used another word here we go you know

2886
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:45,920
moultrie's like yeah i heard a roswell

2887
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:47,440
you know he just mentioned it in passing

2888
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,880
he goes but i haven't seen any other

2889
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:51,119
documented studies

2890
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:52,639
not aware of anything you know any

2891
01:48:56,709 --> 01:48:55,040
office uh hasn't been brought to my

2892
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:56,719
attention in other words

2893
01:49:00,229 --> 01:48:58,480
it could be there i just hasn't been

2894
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:00,239
brought to my attention i'm not aware of

2895
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:03,600
any contractual program focused on this

2896
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:05,360
which if it's a buried special access

2897
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:07,600
program yeah he wouldn't he can get away

2898
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:08,960
with saying that

2899
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:11,119
or programmatic i can't speak to what

2900
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:12,560
people may be looking at because he's

2901
01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:14,080
talking about individuals who might be

2902
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:16,000
looking at ufos but

2903
01:49:19,990 --> 01:49:18,000
you know nothing official no official

2904
01:49:21,669 --> 01:49:20,000
programs on the record so if it's a

2905
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:21,679
waived unacknowledged special access

2906
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:22,960
program he can always say i didn't

2907
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:24,960
really know about that you know it's

2908
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:26,480
i was being truthful

2909
01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:28,080
but you know they've they've heard about

2910
01:49:35,589 --> 01:49:30,400
that stuff they have to have heard about

2911
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:37,270
oh there are people looking to call in

2912
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:38,880
all right give me a second the questions

2913
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:41,040
they wouldn't answer publicly but would

2914
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:42,480
wooden closed sessions were very

2915
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:44,080
interesting and revealing i need to

2916
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:46,159
transcribe all of this so i mean a lot

2917
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:47,520
of it is boring but i still have to do

2918
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:48,960
it there may be a transcript later on

2919
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:50,480
they usually you know i would think they

2920
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:53,520
have a stenographer there

2921
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:55,440
you know what they say in private

2922
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:57,520
sessions that will matter to the greater

2923
01:50:01,589 --> 01:50:00,320
public hence why i'm positive

2924
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:01,599
as far as what they said they're going

2925
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:03,119
to talk about in the private sessions

2926
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:05,040
yeah i need to go over all that again

2927
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:06,880
but i will try to bring in some folks

2928
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:08,480
here

2929
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:10,960
let's see we got chris

2930
01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:12,800
other folks i i don't it says your

2931
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:14,480
device not connected

2932
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:17,199
what's up chris what do you think

2933
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:19,840
did they mention the wilson documents

2934
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:21,840
did i hear that right

2935
01:50:25,589 --> 01:50:23,679
they did they didn't mention the wilson

2936
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:25,599
documents and it's like

2937
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:27,920
i was surprised at that let me get rid

2938
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:29,840
of the screen i was surprised at that

2939
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:32,000
and um

2940
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:33,520
but

2941
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:34,800
you know it's like

2942
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:36,719
i'm not gonna i'm not gonna gloat too

2943
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:38,320
much over that because it's one person

2944
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:40,320
who brought him up and and they said you

2945
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:42,800
know we really we're not aware of that

2946
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:44,000
um

2947
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:45,520
but it's nice to have in the public

2948
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,800
record and i was hoping well ladies and

2949
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:51,280
gentlemen actually we have eric davis in

2950
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:55,669
there would be savage as hell that

2951
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:02,629
and then we have to tic tac them saying

2952
01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:11,030
i lost my internet most of the way

2953
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:12,639
through and my son's trying to climb on

2954
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:14,400
the chair right now but um

2955
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:17,840
i did catch it and uh i'm amazed uh

2956
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:20,800
giuliano hey this is my son and he's all

2957
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:23,760
excited too um

2958
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,400
yeah i was just i was great i i can't

2959
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:29,360
believe that this even happened um

2960
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:31,280
not my wildest dreams that would have

2961
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:33,360
thought a congress person would have

2962
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:34,560
brought that up

2963
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:36,639
now my question is is how do they

2964
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,119
investigate that i don't know how

2965
01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:41,199
they get into that i know that right now

2966
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:42,880
i'm going to uh

2967
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:52,950
yeah it's it's a hard it's a hard one to

2968
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:54,480
investigate since admiral wilson has

2969
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,800
denied it all um

2970
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:58,400
so i i mean i'm not holding out hope

2971
01:52:01,750 --> 01:51:59,679
we're gonna hear any breakthroughs on

2972
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:01,760
that can you hear me

2973
01:52:06,149 --> 01:52:03,599
yeah i can't it's just your video was

2974
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:06,159
closed i feel like uh

2975
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:08,000
the the scene for saturday night live

2976
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:11,040
where uh rudy giuliani's son is like

2977
01:52:15,669 --> 01:52:13,280
attacking him and like hanging on him

2978
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:15,679
from saturday night live but uh i'll try

2979
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:16,800
to uh

2980
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:18,880
it's andrew

2981
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:20,960
but yeah i mean i don't expect uh any

2982
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:22,800
look any deep i don't think i don't

2983
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:24,639
expect any deep governmental dive into

2984
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:27,280
the wilson documents any time

2985
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:28,400
so

2986
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:31,360
he was brought and we had a hearing and

2987
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:32,719
you never know and you know and of

2988
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:34,480
course i am spoiled from the last four

2989
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:35,920
and a half years it's amazing that we

2990
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:38,400
had hearings uh i want to see the senate

2991
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:39,840
hearings

2992
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:41,840
no mention of ossep which was the

2993
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:43,360
program and they only pat and they all

2994
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:45,119
mentioned a tip in passing but it was

2995
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:46,480
interesting them trying to get them on

2996
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:47,920
the record saying if you knew of any

2997
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:50,239
other programs before blue book or after

2998
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:52,239
blue book when they said they weren't

2999
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:54,639
very confident there were and there are

3000
01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:56,000
programs

3001
01:52:59,189 --> 01:52:57,040
yeah they aren't aware they gave

3002
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:59,199
themselves outs you know the way they

3003
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:01,520
the way they described it

3004
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:04,159
you know i'm not aware of no contractual

3005
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:11,750
i'm just elated i'm happy

3006
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:13,030
i'm happy

3007
01:53:17,589 --> 01:53:14,960
i'm it's a good win

3008
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:17,599
i don't know about you but i'm happy i

3009
01:53:21,589 --> 01:53:19,280
don't know about you but

3010
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:21,599
mission accomplished for right now

3011
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:24,480
hopefully these questions will be more

3012
01:53:30,470 --> 01:53:27,280
more hearings

3013
01:53:32,229 --> 01:53:30,480
lou

3014
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:32,239
we need lu to testify at the very

3015
01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:33,520
minimum it

3016
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:35,119
i mean if he was up there it would be

3017
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:37,199
such a totally different result

3018
01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:38,719
not that this is horrible but i mean

3019
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:40,639
most people most people are going to be

3020
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:42,560
disappointed i could see in the chat and

3021
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:44,080
i understand that

3022
01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:45,440
but and i'll be i'm a little

3023
01:53:49,669 --> 01:53:47,679
disappointed but my my expectations were

3024
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:49,679
low so it's not going to ruin my day

3025
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,840
it's the first hearing i i need to

3026
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:53,119
transcribe it if it's probably

3027
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:54,800
transcribed anyway that's that's how

3028
01:53:58,070 --> 01:53:56,239
they work

3029
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:58,080
everybody said hi uncle joe joe i'm

3030
01:54:03,990 --> 01:54:00,560
uncle jim uncle ufo jeff everywhere man

3031
01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:04,000
he's hanging on me yeah like i apologize

3032
01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:06,080
well well some people be like that's not

3033
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:07,840
professional

3034
01:54:12,709 --> 01:54:11,520
no it's it's great when the guys go on

3035
01:54:14,070 --> 01:54:12,719
live and then they have their kid walk

3036
01:54:16,149 --> 01:54:14,080
in the background they freak out it's

3037
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:16,159
like your kid who cares

3038
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:17,520
you're a parent

3039
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:23,669
that's the first step and um

3040
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:25,840
oh god

3041
01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:33,990
you're breaking up really bad yeah well

3042
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:36,080
this one is texting me who is

3043
01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:39,040
tangentially i'm breaking up i said

3044
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:41,440
everybody who's texting me is uh very

3045
01:54:49,109 --> 01:54:42,960
excited for what

3046
01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:51,030
and we got a jeremy corbell shout out

3047
01:54:58,149 --> 01:54:55,750
and

3048
01:55:00,390 --> 01:54:58,159
yo all right chris i'm gonna have to let

3049
01:55:03,589 --> 01:55:00,400
you go because i cannot hear you you're

3050
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:05,350
i'm gonna have to cut you off because i

3051
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:09,589
all right chris

3052
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:12,880
it's just it's really bad

3053
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:18,149
he had a bad connection i'm pretty sure

3054
01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:20,639
it's not my connection

3055
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:23,199
melon just tweeted let me see

3056
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:25,920
let me go to twitter i apologize chris

3057
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:28,080
it was really bad

3058
01:55:33,270 --> 01:55:30,000
let's see what melon had this i think

3059
01:55:37,109 --> 01:55:33,280
melon would be disappointed but let me

3060
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:38,550
um

3061
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:40,000
here we go see

3062
01:55:44,629 --> 01:55:42,400
i can read christopher melling pretty

3063
01:55:45,830 --> 01:55:44,639
good

3064
01:55:47,510 --> 01:55:45,840
share

3065
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:47,520
screen

3066
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:48,960
chrome

3067
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:55,350
so melon said

3068
01:55:58,950 --> 01:55:57,830
it's to see and say melon

3069
01:56:02,070 --> 01:55:58,960
um

3070
01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:02,080
melon said that was frustrating as

3071
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:03,920
as a frustrating hearing as well as a

3072
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:05,840
reminder both of how far we've come and

3073
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:08,400
how far we still have to go agreed

3074
01:56:13,030 --> 01:56:10,400
great first step

3075
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:13,040
frustrating because it seems like we're

3076
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:15,360
in kindergarten on ufos and i realize

3077
01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:17,280
the general public is but that does not

3078
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:18,880
excuse

3079
01:56:21,669 --> 01:56:19,840
you know

3080
01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:21,679
some of the answers that were given that

3081
01:56:27,750 --> 01:56:22,800
we know

3082
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:27,760
and the excuse of

3083
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:30,000
doing it in a classified setting you

3084
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:32,320
know it's the same old stuff source i

3085
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:34,000
talked to somebody last night i'm like

3086
01:56:38,790 --> 01:56:35,599
expect them to reference sources and

3087
01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:38,800
methods a lot and they did um

3088
01:56:41,990 --> 01:56:40,320
but there are ways you know we promise

3089
01:56:44,790 --> 01:56:42,000
though if we can if we can release

3090
01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:44,800
information without giving any valuable

3091
01:56:49,669 --> 01:56:48,480
data to our adversaries we will so

3092
01:56:52,950 --> 01:56:49,679
um

3093
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:52,960
yeah so that's that's that's melon

3094
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:56,000
the pro and con of today's hearing i i i

3095
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:57,840
doubt lou you know of course you know

3096
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:00,800
you hoped lou would be there but

3097
01:57:05,030 --> 01:57:03,599
that wasn't going to happen let me see

3098
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:05,040
we could just check out twitter too if

3099
01:57:09,589 --> 01:57:07,360
you guys don't want to call in

3100
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:09,599
i don't think lou

3101
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:11,599
and his name is not coming up there it

3102
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:18,870
no not yet

3103
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:20,550
so

3104
01:57:27,990 --> 01:57:22,800
just real quick on

3105
01:57:32,310 --> 01:57:30,310
for anybody who missed the hearing

3106
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:32,320
and doesn't have a web link it'll be on

3107
01:57:37,109 --> 01:57:35,920
c-span 2 tonight at 9 00 pm eastern

3108
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:37,119
i'll just go over this quick and you

3109
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:39,840
guys can like i said call in

3110
01:57:43,750 --> 01:57:41,760
uh linda thompson the hearings were

3111
01:57:45,990 --> 01:57:43,760
worse than my low expectations where was

3112
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:46,000
the truth and testimony

3113
01:57:49,750 --> 01:57:47,760
adrian nothing but deliberate

3114
01:57:51,510 --> 01:57:49,760
obfuscation it's unfortunate no this is

3115
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:51,520
what i expect from most people that's

3116
01:57:56,390 --> 01:57:54,000
why it's good to have low expectations

3117
01:57:58,229 --> 01:57:56,400
you know i my whole life with my sports

3118
01:58:00,310 --> 01:57:58,239
teams i've had low expectations so i'm

3119
01:58:02,550 --> 01:58:00,320
used to losing not that today was a loss

3120
01:58:04,950 --> 01:58:02,560
but you know

3121
01:58:06,470 --> 01:58:04,960
somebody was hoping for transparency and

3122
01:58:08,149 --> 01:58:06,480
i heard people talking about behind the

3123
01:58:11,030 --> 01:58:08,159
scenes what they expected oh i do want

3124
01:58:13,350 --> 01:58:11,040
to say something about the boca response

3125
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:13,360
people are like oh that's it it's just

3126
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:16,239
it's a triangle um

3127
01:58:20,310 --> 01:58:18,320
you need to listen to jeremy corbell

3128
01:58:22,070 --> 01:58:20,320
jeremy corbell has spoken to those folks

3129
01:58:24,709 --> 01:58:22,080
and i think we need to wait to hear from

3130
01:58:27,189 --> 01:58:24,719
those folks if you have somebody saying

3131
01:58:28,790 --> 01:58:27,199
oh yeah i saw the object and it wasn't

3132
01:58:30,629 --> 01:58:28,800
through the night vision and it was a

3133
01:58:32,390 --> 01:58:30,639
pyramid and a triangle because that's

3134
01:58:34,709 --> 01:58:32,400
what object you know angle of

3135
01:58:36,229 --> 01:58:34,719
observations it suggests that they saw

3136
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:36,239
it with their eyes but i want to hear

3137
01:58:39,510 --> 01:58:37,679
from those folks so i'm not ready just

3138
01:58:42,709 --> 01:58:39,520
to pass that off as boca

3139
01:58:44,470 --> 01:58:42,719
um and a drone everything is as jeremy

3140
01:58:45,589 --> 01:58:44,480
said the people he spoke to

3141
01:58:47,109 --> 01:58:45,599
um

3142
01:58:49,189 --> 01:58:47,119
said everything they encounter they

3143
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:49,199
write down as drones it's just that it's

3144
01:58:53,830 --> 01:58:50,800
just what they they're supposed to write

3145
01:58:55,430 --> 01:58:53,840
down um it's the standard we don't know

3146
01:58:57,189 --> 01:58:55,440
what it is right drones because they

3147
01:58:58,470 --> 01:58:57,199
know it's going to be you know foia

3148
01:58:59,669 --> 01:58:58,480
where people will be able to look at the

3149
01:59:01,430 --> 01:58:59,679
deck logs

3150
01:59:03,270 --> 01:59:01,440
science bob mcguire if you want to watch

3151
01:59:06,149 --> 01:59:03,280
a complete nothing burger foisted on the

3152
01:59:08,790 --> 01:59:06,159
world this is it melon and elizondo

3153
01:59:10,629 --> 01:59:08,800
failed yeah okay melon and elizondo

3154
01:59:11,669 --> 01:59:10,639
failed it's their fault bob give me a

3155
01:59:13,350 --> 01:59:11,679
break

3156
01:59:15,430 --> 01:59:13,360
you can't force people to give up

3157
01:59:16,950 --> 01:59:15,440
information they've always said it's

3158
01:59:18,709 --> 01:59:16,960
gonna take time that's just a horrible

3159
01:59:20,310 --> 01:59:18,719
take

3160
01:59:21,669 --> 01:59:20,320
did the admiral wilson davis memo get

3161
01:59:23,830 --> 01:59:21,679
into the wreckage during the hearing did

3162
01:59:25,830 --> 01:59:23,840
i hear it correctly yes

3163
01:59:28,709 --> 01:59:25,840
um and there's mike promoting me thank

3164
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:28,719
you mike you guys

3165
01:59:38,070 --> 01:59:34,870
don't bring up the mets that's my team

3166
01:59:39,430 --> 01:59:38,080
trust me mets rangers knicks total

3167
01:59:41,510 --> 01:59:39,440
let me see uh

3168
01:59:43,270 --> 01:59:41,520
if i can get people in

3169
01:59:45,030 --> 01:59:43,280
let me try greg

3170
01:59:47,189 --> 01:59:45,040
are you there greg if you are you're

3171
01:59:50,229 --> 01:59:47,199
muted

3172
01:59:52,229 --> 01:59:50,239
and folks it would be nice if anybody

3173
01:59:54,870 --> 01:59:52,239
wants to call in you could keep your

3174
01:59:55,910 --> 01:59:54,880
camera off or put tape over it i don't

3175
01:59:57,270 --> 01:59:55,920
care

3176
01:59:58,470 --> 01:59:57,280
they are greg

3177
01:59:59,830 --> 01:59:58,480
yeah

3178
02:00:03,270 --> 01:59:59,840
so what do you think what do you think

3179
02:00:04,790 --> 02:00:03,280
greg ah you know to me it was a

3180
02:00:06,390 --> 02:00:04,800
a big disappointment i just think this

3181
02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:06,400
is the same thing that the government

3182
02:00:09,830 --> 02:00:08,400
does it's they're always restarting

3183
02:00:11,430 --> 02:00:09,840
right they're still talking about

3184
02:00:12,629 --> 02:00:11,440
calibrating data

3185
02:00:14,229 --> 02:00:12,639
and uh

3186
02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:14,239
just the fact that there wasn't even any

3187
02:00:17,750 --> 02:00:16,320
reference to

3188
02:00:19,109 --> 02:00:17,760
a lot of these other incidents where we

3189
02:00:22,390 --> 02:00:19,119
know there's real data whether it's the

3190
02:00:24,070 --> 02:00:22,400
omaha or the gimbal

3191
02:00:25,750 --> 02:00:24,080
you know just this idea we've got to

3192
02:00:27,189 --> 02:00:25,760
coordinate it's just to me it's just

3193
02:00:29,109 --> 02:00:27,199
another way of

3194
02:00:30,790 --> 02:00:29,119
how they can just drag the ball how they

3195
02:00:32,709 --> 02:00:30,800
can drag this game out as long as

3196
02:00:34,709 --> 02:00:32,719
humanly possible and so i always feel

3197
02:00:36,629 --> 02:00:34,719
like it's got to come from

3198
02:00:38,390 --> 02:00:36,639
i don't have this belief that we've got

3199
02:00:40,229 --> 02:00:38,400
to get some sort of high definition

3200
02:00:41,589 --> 02:00:40,239
image from like the galileo project that

3201
02:00:43,430 --> 02:00:41,599
is just

3202
02:00:45,589 --> 02:00:43,440
you know pristine and there's no

3203
02:00:47,350 --> 02:00:45,599
question that it's a ufo and then that

3204
02:00:49,750 --> 02:00:47,360
would force

3205
02:00:50,790 --> 02:00:49,760
this type of hearing to have a different

3206
02:00:52,310 --> 02:00:50,800
tone

3207
02:00:54,070 --> 02:00:52,320
until there's really something i think

3208
02:00:55,910 --> 02:00:54,080
in the open source or that's just out

3209
02:00:57,270 --> 02:00:55,920
there that's just

3210
02:00:58,310 --> 02:00:57,280
unequivocal

3211
02:01:00,070 --> 02:00:58,320
and it's not i don't think it's going to

3212
02:01:01,830 --> 02:01:00,080
be data it's going to be

3213
02:01:02,709 --> 02:01:01,840
an image that really captures the public

3214
02:01:04,070 --> 02:01:02,719
mind because that's the only thing

3215
02:01:05,910 --> 02:01:04,080
that's going to move this is that as the

3216
02:01:06,870 --> 02:01:05,920
public really gets on board and really

3217
02:01:08,709 --> 02:01:06,880
pushes

3218
02:01:09,830 --> 02:01:08,719
um mean it's stuff like this

3219
02:01:11,109 --> 02:01:09,840
anyone who listened to this i don't

3220
02:01:12,550 --> 02:01:11,119
think you learned anything if you were a

3221
02:01:13,669 --> 02:01:12,560
newbie you like i don't even know what's

3222
02:01:14,550 --> 02:01:13,679
going on

3223
02:01:16,950 --> 02:01:14,560
um

3224
02:01:18,470 --> 02:01:16,960
so to me it just uh and i get it could i

3225
02:01:20,470 --> 02:01:18,480
hope it's a first step to something

3226
02:01:24,149 --> 02:01:20,480
better but i just have such a

3227
02:01:26,229 --> 02:01:24,159
a view of how of that their

3228
02:01:28,390 --> 02:01:26,239
their long-term goal is not to

3229
02:01:30,629 --> 02:01:28,400
disclose this in any way or the least

3230
02:01:33,270 --> 02:01:30,639
amount possible

3231
02:01:35,350 --> 02:01:33,280
no i agree and i agree about what it's

3232
02:01:37,589 --> 02:01:35,360
going to take to get

3233
02:01:40,229 --> 02:01:37,599
the masses interested it's it's gonna

3234
02:01:43,510 --> 02:01:40,239
take an amazing video

3235
02:01:45,350 --> 02:01:43,520
that we assume exists you know

3236
02:01:47,510 --> 02:01:45,360
we have people who don't think that

3237
02:01:49,510 --> 02:01:47,520
exists and this has all been a fraud for

3238
02:01:51,350 --> 02:01:49,520
70 years i do not think that's the case

3239
02:01:53,109 --> 02:01:51,360
but we still need to see the video it's

3240
02:01:55,189 --> 02:01:53,119
like it's frustrating it definitely gets

3241
02:01:57,430 --> 02:01:55,199
frustrating all these years you never

3242
02:02:00,229 --> 02:01:57,440
get to see anything um

3243
02:02:02,390 --> 02:02:00,239
or it's so i agree either some really

3244
02:02:05,189 --> 02:02:02,400
incredible sighting on video multiple

3245
02:02:06,149 --> 02:02:05,199
sensors with the witnesses speaking up

3246
02:02:07,910 --> 02:02:06,159
or

3247
02:02:11,109 --> 02:02:07,920
you know an event that is a daytime

3248
02:02:12,950 --> 02:02:11,119
event that is clear as day you know but

3249
02:02:14,470 --> 02:02:12,960
of course people will say that is a mate

3250
02:02:16,709 --> 02:02:14,480
well it depends on what the sighting is

3251
02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:16,719
if it's a massive football field site

3252
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:19,920
football football field sized object

3253
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:21,280
that's just hovering and takes off in a

3254
02:02:24,870 --> 02:02:23,280
blink of an eye that could do it i don't

3255
02:02:27,430 --> 02:02:24,880
think most people would say well that

3256
02:02:29,350 --> 02:02:27,440
was our black technology and if that was

3257
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:29,360
the case even if people think we have

3258
02:02:33,109 --> 02:02:31,360
that tech that story alone is a big

3259
02:02:36,470 --> 02:02:33,119
story which i don't think we have that

3260
02:02:37,830 --> 02:02:36,480
we may have some some technology um

3261
02:02:39,350 --> 02:02:37,840
but it's still it might be a bigger

3262
02:02:41,189 --> 02:02:39,360
story if we do have that technology

3263
02:02:42,070 --> 02:02:41,199
because we could change the world you

3264
02:02:43,669 --> 02:02:42,080
know

3265
02:02:45,910 --> 02:02:43,679
where where are you which part of the

3266
02:02:48,229 --> 02:02:45,920
country are you i live in uh telluride

3267
02:02:49,589 --> 02:02:48,239
colorado um

3268
02:02:51,750 --> 02:02:49,599
so i go to the desert a lot and we're

3269
02:02:53,189 --> 02:02:51,760
always looking for uh

3270
02:02:54,310 --> 02:02:53,199
ufos i would say i don't know if you

3271
02:02:58,070 --> 02:02:54,320
guys what you guys thought it looked

3272
02:02:59,910 --> 02:02:58,080
like schiff was somewhat annoyed in

3273
02:03:01,830 --> 02:02:59,920
his facial expressions when he was

3274
02:03:03,830 --> 02:03:01,840
getting some of his questions answered

3275
02:03:05,750 --> 02:03:03,840
um that last time he was speaking i felt

3276
02:03:07,589 --> 02:03:05,760
like he was getting

3277
02:03:08,550 --> 02:03:07,599
frustrated that there really wasn't

3278
02:03:10,470 --> 02:03:08,560
going to be

3279
02:03:12,070 --> 02:03:10,480
any answers to the public that were

3280
02:03:16,229 --> 02:03:12,080
helpful i don't know what you guys

3281
02:03:19,830 --> 02:03:17,990
it was hard for me to watch because i

3282
02:03:21,109 --> 02:03:19,840
took notes during the entire time so i

3283
02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:21,119
could refer back on what they were

3284
02:03:25,189 --> 02:03:22,480
saying and my notes aren't even that

3285
02:03:26,229 --> 02:03:25,199
great um so i need to watch it again

3286
02:03:28,310 --> 02:03:26,239
although some of it's going to be

3287
02:03:30,229 --> 02:03:28,320
painful because it was very slow and it

3288
02:03:32,470 --> 02:03:30,239
was it was definitely dry for folks like

3289
02:03:36,470 --> 02:03:34,470
yeah he's he's a pr

3290
02:03:37,990 --> 02:03:36,480
i i mean no one brought up the air force

3291
02:03:39,510 --> 02:03:38,000
and the lack of like coordination i

3292
02:03:40,870 --> 02:03:39,520
didn't i had to take my kids to school

3293
02:03:42,709 --> 02:03:40,880
for a little bit i don't know if did

3294
02:03:44,709 --> 02:03:42,719
they talk about the air force and the

3295
02:03:46,070 --> 02:03:44,719
lack of their uh

3296
02:03:47,589 --> 02:03:46,080
right their participation in the

3297
02:03:49,030 --> 02:03:47,599
original report

3298
02:03:50,950 --> 02:03:49,040
anything like that to me i mean it's a

3299
02:03:54,629 --> 02:03:50,960
huge they just

3300
02:03:58,149 --> 02:03:56,390
now all they said was the air force has

3301
02:03:59,910 --> 02:03:58,159
their reporting you know

3302
02:04:01,910 --> 02:03:59,920
just like the navy they have you know

3303
02:04:03,189 --> 02:04:01,920
they have a knee board inside the plane

3304
02:04:04,870 --> 02:04:03,199
where if they have a sighting it tells

3305
02:04:05,990 --> 02:04:04,880
them what to do and they talked about

3306
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:06,000
what happens when they have a sighting

3307
02:04:10,470 --> 02:04:07,760
but nothing about obfuscation on the air

3308
02:04:12,229 --> 02:04:10,480
force nobody asked about it i mean

3309
02:04:13,990 --> 02:04:12,239
for me i i

3310
02:04:15,350 --> 02:04:14,000
i even want to go further you hear

3311
02:04:16,629 --> 02:04:15,360
people talk about the air force and they

3312
02:04:18,950 --> 02:04:16,639
say well they don't want to release the

3313
02:04:20,470 --> 02:04:18,960
information related to the nuclear bases

3314
02:04:22,550 --> 02:04:20,480
that they protect or nuclear missile

3315
02:04:24,950 --> 02:04:22,560
sites for me though you know the next

3316
02:04:26,470 --> 02:04:24,960
level is you know when people tell me

3317
02:04:28,149 --> 02:04:26,480
privately that

3318
02:04:29,910 --> 02:04:28,159
look at the christian angle the

3319
02:04:31,189 --> 02:04:29,920
evangelical angle that's a big part of

3320
02:04:32,950 --> 02:04:31,199
why the air force folks some of the

3321
02:04:34,149 --> 02:04:32,960
higher ups are very hardcore about this

3322
02:04:36,470 --> 02:04:34,159
not being studied because they think

3323
02:04:38,310 --> 02:04:36,480
it's demonic that is a big problem but

3324
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:38,320
it's not going to be brought up they

3325
02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:39,760
don't want to offend obviously people

3326
02:04:42,069 --> 02:04:41,360
who are religious number one and number

3327
02:04:43,510 --> 02:04:42,079
two

3328
02:04:45,910 --> 02:04:43,520
that's not going to be brought up for a

3329
02:04:47,430 --> 02:04:45,920
very long time in my opinion i mean look

3330
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:47,440
at we're just like i said we're in

3331
02:04:50,229 --> 02:04:49,280
kindergarten right now with what we just

3332
02:04:51,510 --> 02:04:50,239
saw

3333
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:51,520
yeah i think that statement you just

3334
02:04:55,189 --> 02:04:53,280
made about how you know there's this

3335
02:04:56,709 --> 02:04:55,199
large or there's a group of powerful

3336
02:04:57,830 --> 02:04:56,719
people in the way whether it's the

3337
02:05:00,390 --> 02:04:57,840
collins elite or whatever we want to

3338
02:05:02,550 --> 02:05:00,400
refer to them as and the fact that you

3339
02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:02,560
know in any sort of setting we can't

3340
02:05:07,189 --> 02:05:04,159
call those people out

3341
02:05:09,189 --> 02:05:07,199
i mean to me that just illustrates the

3342
02:05:11,030 --> 02:05:09,199
you know this like permanent obfuscation

3343
02:05:12,950 --> 02:05:11,040
that's going to occur like

3344
02:05:15,109 --> 02:05:12,960
we can't even address

3345
02:05:16,550 --> 02:05:15,119
in any way the parts of the government

3346
02:05:17,830 --> 02:05:16,560
that are truly standing in the way of it

3347
02:05:19,990 --> 02:05:17,840
they won't even it's like it's an

3348
02:05:20,950 --> 02:05:20,000
untalkable situation and i just sit here

3349
02:05:22,870 --> 02:05:20,960
and say

3350
02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:22,880
it's uh you know they're still not ready

3351
02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:25,199
to have any sort of honest conversation

3352
02:05:30,709 --> 02:05:29,199
it feels like in any way until uh

3353
02:05:32,709 --> 02:05:30,719
until we really push the needle i think

3354
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:32,719
the public has to somehow

3355
02:05:36,229 --> 02:05:34,400
and it's really got to come from

3356
02:05:38,709 --> 02:05:36,239
we got to get organized and get some

3357
02:05:41,189 --> 02:05:38,719
funding um which galileo is starting to

3358
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:41,199
do things like that um

3359
02:05:44,149 --> 02:05:42,960
but it's it's never going to come like

3360
02:05:45,669 --> 02:05:44,159
listen it's not like it's not going to

3361
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:45,679
come from bigelow right he's he probably

3362
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:47,040
knows stuff and they're not going to be

3363
02:05:50,390 --> 02:05:48,719
able to say it whether they have ndas or

3364
02:05:51,910 --> 02:05:50,400
they're they're stuck with

3365
02:05:53,030 --> 02:05:51,920
you know unable to disclose stuff from

3366
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:53,040
the government so it's literally going

3367
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:55,520
to have to be some sort of open source

3368
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:57,280
uh type of

3369
02:06:01,030 --> 02:05:59,280
uh progress or entity or organization

3370
02:06:02,950 --> 02:06:01,040
that's going to push this and that's

3371
02:06:04,550 --> 02:06:02,960
just how i think about it i mean there's

3372
02:06:05,830 --> 02:06:04,560
no way

3373
02:06:07,109 --> 02:06:05,840
the government's going to come kicking

3374
02:06:09,430 --> 02:06:07,119
and screaming right we're going to have

3375
02:06:11,910 --> 02:06:09,440
to force that disclosure and

3376
02:06:12,790 --> 02:06:11,920
i think that until there's uh some sort

3377
02:06:14,629 --> 02:06:12,800
of

3378
02:06:16,149 --> 02:06:14,639
thing that causes it these hearings are

3379
02:06:17,589 --> 02:06:16,159
going to be just like this i mean

3380
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:17,599
honestly for anyone who's studied the

3381
02:06:22,310 --> 02:06:19,840
subject for any sort of period of time

3382
02:06:23,589 --> 02:06:22,320
like the two videos they show one was

3383
02:06:25,030 --> 02:06:23,599
one you couldn't even see anything and

3384
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:25,040
they can't even right they don't even

3385
02:06:28,790 --> 02:06:27,440
know how to like they're gonna go do a

3386
02:06:29,910 --> 02:06:28,800
we're gonna have a hearing and we're not

3387
02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:29,920
we're gonna have a video we're not even

3388
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:31,280
really be able to stop it so you can see

3389
02:06:33,830 --> 02:06:32,480
what we're showing you and then the

3390
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:33,840
other one is one they're gonna they're

3391
02:06:37,510 --> 02:06:35,599
gonna disprove right they're gonna say

3392
02:06:39,030 --> 02:06:37,520
oh that one was uh wasn't what we

3393
02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:39,040
thought it was and it's like wow the two

3394
02:06:42,149 --> 02:06:40,400
things that they showed are one we can't

3395
02:06:43,589 --> 02:06:42,159
even see it and two is that one we

3396
02:06:45,589 --> 02:06:43,599
figured out what it was

3397
02:06:47,189 --> 02:06:45,599
and then they you know so it's just like

3398
02:06:49,510 --> 02:06:47,199
uh

3399
02:06:53,270 --> 02:06:49,520
the the the tone they present is just so

3400
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:53,280
incredibly uh frustrating

3401
02:06:57,830 --> 02:06:55,760
um i agree and the video display was the

3402
02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:57,840
most embarrassing thing i've ever seen

3403
02:07:01,669 --> 02:06:59,840
you don't you don't make you don't make

3404
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:01,679
another version that slow motion that

3405
02:07:05,350 --> 02:07:03,360
shows the object really we have to try

3406
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:05,360
to i mean they spent five minutes trying

3407
02:07:09,270 --> 02:07:07,520
to show us what object they were talking

3408
02:07:11,350 --> 02:07:09,280
about and then

3409
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:11,360
i think here on my screen you see

3410
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:13,840
chrissy newton who's done who has done

3411
02:07:17,589 --> 02:07:15,920
work with the debrief said will george

3412
02:07:19,430 --> 02:07:17,599
knapp and jeremy corbell release a

3413
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:19,440
statement knapp is attached to this as

3414
02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:21,679
well i think she's talking about them

3415
02:07:25,270 --> 02:07:24,000
saying it was boca it sounds like mick

3416
02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:25,280
west may have

3417
02:07:29,189 --> 02:07:27,520
advised some of these folks in my

3418
02:07:31,189 --> 02:07:29,199
opinion it's too early to say that

3419
02:07:33,270 --> 02:07:31,199
because jeremy corbell has said he has

3420
02:07:35,750 --> 02:07:33,280
interviewed folks on these on those

3421
02:07:37,589 --> 02:07:35,760
boats so i want to hear from those folks

3422
02:07:39,350 --> 02:07:37,599
directly and if they say visually with

3423
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:39,360
their own eyes they saw triangle or

3424
02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:41,840
pyramid shaped the bokeh argument goes

3425
02:07:44,709 --> 02:07:43,280
right out the window and i know what

3426
02:07:46,390 --> 02:07:44,719
they said they said well there was

3427
02:07:48,950 --> 02:07:46,400
another case we looked at and yeah it

3428
02:07:51,030 --> 02:07:48,960
proved that it was a an image artifact

3429
02:07:53,430 --> 02:07:51,040
with the actual triangle shape maybe

3430
02:07:56,149 --> 02:07:53,440
maybe it is but to jump to a conclusion

3431
02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:56,159
exp and expect knapp and corbell to say

3432
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:57,840
well the classified

3433
02:08:01,910 --> 02:07:59,760
report that we saw was wrong

3434
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:01,920
i just think it's premature on that

3435
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:03,440
yeah i totally agree on that to me

3436
02:08:07,350 --> 02:08:04,880
that's what's frustrating is that if

3437
02:08:08,550 --> 02:08:07,360
there were right so then that reporting

3438
02:08:10,390 --> 02:08:08,560
that would have to go to the government

3439
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:10,400
would include those statements from

3440
02:08:14,629 --> 02:08:12,159
those sailors on the deck and yet here

3441
02:08:17,750 --> 02:08:14,639
we have a guy saying we believe we've

3442
02:08:20,629 --> 02:08:17,760
solved and so in a sense he's ignoring

3443
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:20,639
right the subset of data of that larger

3444
02:08:24,470 --> 02:08:23,040
incident and that's to me is really

3445
02:08:26,470 --> 02:08:24,480
frustrating that he'll come out and

3446
02:08:29,350 --> 02:08:26,480
almost make a a positive statement that

3447
02:08:31,189 --> 02:08:29,360
we've solved it yet you know corbello's

3448
02:08:32,870 --> 02:08:31,199
saying hey i'm talking about guys who

3449
02:08:35,030 --> 02:08:32,880
saw the thing

3450
02:08:36,790 --> 02:08:35,040
with their own eyes yet that had to be

3451
02:08:38,229 --> 02:08:36,800
in the report and here we have a you

3452
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:38,239
know this guy running the program saying

3453
02:08:42,629 --> 02:08:40,320
it's been solved and not saying hey

3454
02:08:44,790 --> 02:08:42,639
we've been able to replicate it but yet

3455
02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:44,800
we do have other data that says in that

3456
02:08:48,470 --> 02:08:47,040
particular case it may or may not be but

3457
02:08:49,990 --> 02:08:48,480
in some cases we have been able to

3458
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:50,000
replicate it you know they don't play

3459
02:08:53,990 --> 02:08:51,920
that game they're just like if they can

3460
02:08:55,430 --> 02:08:54,000
use any sort of way to say

3461
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:55,440
we've solved it they're going to do that

3462
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:56,560
which is

3463
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:58,239
it's it's really it's fresh frustrating

3464
02:09:01,510 --> 02:08:59,679
it's not really the search for the truth

3465
02:09:03,270 --> 02:09:01,520
it's just about how can they

3466
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:03,280
frame their own narrative for the time

3467
02:09:07,669 --> 02:09:05,040
being

3468
02:09:08,709 --> 02:09:07,679
no i agree 100 i mean i i don't know

3469
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:08,719
what those guys i don't know what

3470
02:09:13,189 --> 02:09:10,960
moultrie and brey are thinking i don't

3471
02:09:14,709 --> 02:09:13,199
know you know i know

3472
02:09:17,350 --> 02:09:14,719
if you look at the foia document that

3473
02:09:20,069 --> 02:09:17,360
greenwald got about bray and you saw the

3474
02:09:21,990 --> 02:09:20,079
the redactions in there it's like you

3475
02:09:23,830 --> 02:09:22,000
know i wanted them to ask why are you

3476
02:09:25,669 --> 02:09:23,840
guys redacting shapes if you're pretty

3477
02:09:27,589 --> 02:09:25,679
if you're convinced it's you know if

3478
02:09:30,069 --> 02:09:27,599
you're so convinced that it's not our

3479
02:09:31,750 --> 02:09:30,079
technology which which bray said you

3480
02:09:33,510 --> 02:09:31,760
know it's like we had two possible

3481
02:09:35,750 --> 02:09:33,520
instances but we're pretty sure it's not

3482
02:09:38,149 --> 02:09:35,760
then why are you redacting the shape of

3483
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:38,159
the objects yeah that's not working

3484
02:09:42,149 --> 02:09:40,239
methods or anything like that like you

3485
02:09:43,510 --> 02:09:42,159
know all this stuff it's a pilot taking

3486
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:43,520
a photo

3487
02:09:47,350 --> 02:09:44,880
you know maybe if we're in a certain

3488
02:09:49,270 --> 02:09:47,360
type of airspace but

3489
02:09:52,709 --> 02:09:49,280
you know it's just i totally agree with

3490
02:09:56,229 --> 02:09:54,229
so yeah

3491
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:56,239
and we know it that's the thing right we

3492
02:09:59,270 --> 02:09:57,840
know as the public it really is getting

3493
02:10:00,390 --> 02:09:59,280
the balls in our court and we really

3494
02:10:02,310 --> 02:10:00,400
have to figure out how to push the

3495
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:02,320
needle if we're going to

3496
02:10:06,390 --> 02:10:04,400
force hearings like this to actually be

3497
02:10:08,470 --> 02:10:06,400
substantiated so

3498
02:10:10,390 --> 02:10:08,480
on the one hand there's really no one to

3499
02:10:11,669 --> 02:10:10,400
fight with other than ourselves and we

3500
02:10:15,109 --> 02:10:11,679
just got to get organized and really

3501
02:10:16,709 --> 02:10:15,119
keep pushing the ball and i agree with

3502
02:10:18,870 --> 02:10:16,719
what you said earlier i said it last

3503
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:18,880
night to somebody i said

3504
02:10:21,510 --> 02:10:19,920
that

3505
02:10:23,830 --> 02:10:21,520
for the real

3506
02:10:25,750 --> 02:10:23,840
like government progress will be slow if

3507
02:10:27,350 --> 02:10:25,760
we really want to make progress quicker

3508
02:10:28,550 --> 02:10:27,360
we need to have we need to have a

3509
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:28,560
billionaire

3510
02:10:33,910 --> 02:10:31,440
fund an effort like asap and when i when

3511
02:10:35,750 --> 02:10:33,920
i mean like asap i mean

3512
02:10:37,430 --> 02:10:35,760
you know investigate these cases with

3513
02:10:39,270 --> 02:10:37,440
funding and just follow where the

3514
02:10:41,270 --> 02:10:39,280
evidence leads where the you know where

3515
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:41,280
what the witnesses say that's all just

3516
02:10:45,030 --> 02:10:42,880
don't put any limits on what you're

3517
02:10:47,350 --> 02:10:45,040
expecting and that's what asap was and

3518
02:10:48,790 --> 02:10:47,360
they got some really weird weird data

3519
02:10:50,709 --> 02:10:48,800
that people have a hard time with but

3520
02:10:52,790 --> 02:10:50,719
it's like that's what they reported and

3521
02:10:55,109 --> 02:10:52,800
if you see consistently things like that

3522
02:10:56,950 --> 02:10:55,119
and we have the funding we can at least

3523
02:10:58,229 --> 02:10:56,960
maybe have some attempt at trying to

3524
02:11:00,390 --> 02:10:58,239
figure out what the heck we're dealing

3525
02:11:02,709 --> 02:11:00,400
with maybe not maybe we need we also

3526
02:11:04,709 --> 02:11:02,719
need government sensors for some of the

3527
02:11:07,350 --> 02:11:04,719
data you know to see clear because it's

3528
02:11:09,189 --> 02:11:07,360
apparently hard to get shots of uap but

3529
02:11:10,870 --> 02:11:09,199
i also have been told we have clear you

3530
02:11:12,790 --> 02:11:10,880
know besides what you hear publicly

3531
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:12,800
privately i hear from people is like

3532
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:16,880
yeah there's amazing amazing data um

3533
02:11:21,189 --> 02:11:19,040
that you would not believe so

3534
02:11:23,109 --> 02:11:21,199
is that true and if it is will we ever

3535
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:23,119
get to see it so yeah i think a private

3536
02:11:28,229 --> 02:11:26,400
effort is sorely needed

3537
02:11:30,069 --> 02:11:28,239
yeah gotta get the funding

3538
02:11:31,030 --> 02:11:30,079
yeah and it's funny i have a friend of

3539
02:11:32,149 --> 02:11:31,040
mine we've been working we're trying to

3540
02:11:33,669 --> 02:11:32,159
work on something like this where it

3541
02:11:34,790 --> 02:11:33,679
wouldn't be billionaires and it's like

3542
02:11:37,510 --> 02:11:34,800
uh

3543
02:11:39,270 --> 02:11:37,520
um we've got to figure out a way to um

3544
02:11:40,709 --> 02:11:39,280
like take things we do every day like

3545
02:11:42,390 --> 02:11:40,719
i'm gonna give people an example like

3546
02:11:44,149 --> 02:11:42,400
there's a thing called the brave browser

3547
02:11:46,069 --> 02:11:44,159
right which is a web browser and you get

3548
02:11:48,069 --> 02:11:46,079
paid for viewing ads right so it's a

3549
02:11:50,629 --> 02:11:48,079
thing that you that we all do every day

3550
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:50,639
we google all that kind of stuff but you

3551
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:53,040
get paid money for viewing ads and you

3552
02:11:55,350 --> 02:11:54,079
can take that money i know what you're

3553
02:11:57,510 --> 02:11:55,360
talking about

3554
02:11:59,510 --> 02:11:57,520
you could donate that money right it can

3555
02:12:01,270 --> 02:11:59,520
be up to like 200 a year which is a huge

3556
02:12:02,709 --> 02:12:01,280
amount of money that an individual can

3557
02:12:04,830 --> 02:12:02,719
generate for doing something they're

3558
02:12:06,629 --> 02:12:04,840
already doing and then we create an

3559
02:12:08,390 --> 02:12:06,639
organization and if you have you know

3560
02:12:09,830 --> 02:12:08,400
think about it you get a million people

3561
02:12:11,350 --> 02:12:09,840
which is nothing there's there's 30

3562
02:12:14,069 --> 02:12:11,360
million people already using the brave

3563
02:12:15,669 --> 02:12:14,079
browser making money if you made 200 a

3564
02:12:17,350 --> 02:12:15,679
year and you give 50 bucks of that to

3565
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:17,360
some organization that we set up to

3566
02:12:21,189 --> 02:12:18,960
really push this i mean we're talking

3567
02:12:22,709 --> 02:12:21,199
about millions and millions of dollars

3568
02:12:24,310 --> 02:12:22,719
that we could do and that's just one

3569
02:12:25,830 --> 02:12:24,320
thing i mean i think we've got to get

3570
02:12:28,629 --> 02:12:25,840
organized a community whether it's using

3571
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:28,639
amazon prime to set up nonprofits and

3572
02:12:32,470 --> 02:12:30,320
take our half percent that we spend like

3573
02:12:34,069 --> 02:12:32,480
there's so many little things that we

3574
02:12:36,550 --> 02:12:34,079
could do that might might feel like a

3575
02:12:38,870 --> 02:12:36,560
lot to us but if we collectively get our

3576
02:12:40,629 --> 02:12:38,880
together as a community

3577
02:12:42,390 --> 02:12:40,639
we can create some organizations that

3578
02:12:44,069 --> 02:12:42,400
could really push the needle because the

3579
02:12:45,030 --> 02:12:44,079
key in all this is that you've got to

3580
02:12:48,629 --> 02:12:45,040
have

3581
02:12:49,669 --> 02:12:48,639
recurring annual revenue right to really

3582
02:12:51,270 --> 02:12:49,679
um

3583
02:12:52,790 --> 02:12:51,280
create research projects that are going

3584
02:12:54,310 --> 02:12:52,800
to move the needle like galileo he says

3585
02:12:55,109 --> 02:12:54,320
he needs 100 million bucks to basically

3586
02:12:57,030 --> 02:12:55,119
write

3587
02:13:00,069 --> 02:12:57,040
put cameras on the tops of buildings

3588
02:13:01,830 --> 02:13:00,079
that to scour the earth

3589
02:13:03,589 --> 02:13:01,840
that's a ton of money he's not going to

3590
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:03,599
get that unless there's some we're not

3591
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:04,800
going to get there fast unless we come

3592
02:13:09,350 --> 02:13:07,440
up with some way to fund that and it's

3593
02:13:11,189 --> 02:13:09,360
not about us digging into our pockets

3594
02:13:13,270 --> 02:13:11,199
right that's never going to solve this

3595
02:13:15,589 --> 02:13:13,280
we've got to figure out a mechanism

3596
02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:15,599
that takes the we do every day to

3597
02:13:19,350 --> 02:13:17,440
fund things that we control that's open

3598
02:13:20,470 --> 02:13:19,360
source i mean that's kind of like my

3599
02:13:22,390 --> 02:13:20,480
been my approach and i'm trying to

3600
02:13:23,669 --> 02:13:22,400
figure out ways to uh to do stuff like

3601
02:13:25,030 --> 02:13:23,679
that

3602
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:25,040
i think we need to put you in charge of

3603
02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:26,800
that greg

3604
02:13:29,589 --> 02:13:28,239
i'll uh well if we do another one of

3605
02:13:31,189 --> 02:13:29,599
these i'll report back and see what we

3606
02:13:32,950 --> 02:13:31,199
can come up with but we've got i got a

3607
02:13:34,550 --> 02:13:32,960
bunch of ideas my background in finance

3608
02:13:36,709 --> 02:13:34,560
so i'm always trying to figure out how

3609
02:13:38,229 --> 02:13:36,719
do we really we need to really move the

3610
02:13:39,990 --> 02:13:38,239
needle here because

3611
02:13:41,830 --> 02:13:40,000
i mean listen my personal opinion it's

3612
02:13:43,589 --> 02:13:41,840
the number one question of humanity

3613
02:13:45,589 --> 02:13:43,599
right are we alone and you know what's

3614
02:13:47,589 --> 02:13:45,599
our purpose or where do we come from and

3615
02:13:48,629 --> 02:13:47,599
uh

3616
02:13:50,149 --> 02:13:48,639
and it's not going to be a single

3617
02:13:51,430 --> 02:13:50,159
benefactor i think that's the wrong way

3618
02:13:52,950 --> 02:13:51,440
to do this you know i mean i think it's

3619
02:13:54,069 --> 02:13:52,960
got to be really a collective if we

3620
02:13:56,069 --> 02:13:54,079
could all be

3621
02:13:57,990 --> 02:13:56,079
picking up nickels and dimes and they're

3622
02:13:59,990 --> 02:13:58,000
going to a place and we've got you know

3623
02:14:01,109 --> 02:14:00,000
two or three million people doing it man

3624
02:14:03,430 --> 02:14:01,119
we can change the world with that kind

3625
02:14:04,790 --> 02:14:03,440
of setup

3626
02:14:06,149 --> 02:14:04,800
i agree and i do agree it's the most

3627
02:14:07,990 --> 02:14:06,159
important subject in the history of

3628
02:14:10,390 --> 02:14:08,000
mankind if we're being visited by

3629
02:14:11,830 --> 02:14:10,400
something and um i appreciate you coming

3630
02:14:13,830 --> 02:14:11,840
on here because a lot of people do not

3631
02:14:16,709 --> 02:14:13,840
want to show their face or their voice

3632
02:14:18,069 --> 02:14:16,719
so you're the only one

3633
02:14:19,589 --> 02:14:18,079
i appreciate all the work you do i think

3634
02:14:21,669 --> 02:14:19,599
you do a terrific job joe you're great

3635
02:14:23,669 --> 02:14:21,679
for the community so thank you thanks

3636
02:14:25,750 --> 02:14:23,679
thank you thank you greg and uh we'll

3637
02:14:27,189 --> 02:14:25,760
see you on the next live stream maybe

3638
02:14:28,870 --> 02:14:27,199
give me a shout out on twitter so i know

3639
02:14:30,629 --> 02:14:28,880
who you are yeah give me a shout out on

3640
02:14:32,950 --> 02:14:30,639
twitter so i know who you are

3641
02:14:36,629 --> 02:14:32,960
you got it for sure take your mind me

3642
02:14:36,639 --> 02:14:40,229
bye

3643
02:14:45,030 --> 02:14:43,430
yeah i appreciate that

3644
02:14:47,350 --> 02:14:45,040
thank you very much you guys don't have

3645
02:14:48,709 --> 02:14:47,360
to do that if you wanna that's fine but

3646
02:14:51,030 --> 02:14:48,719
that's the least thing from my mind

3647
02:14:54,550 --> 02:14:51,040
because i've been so

3648
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:54,560
bad at keeping up on youtube um decent

3649
02:14:57,270 --> 02:14:55,840
at twitter

3650
02:14:59,030 --> 02:14:57,280
uh if you guys have any questions on

3651
02:15:00,629 --> 02:14:59,040
here and don't feel comfortable

3652
02:15:03,669 --> 02:15:00,639
coming on i mean i know there's not more

3653
02:15:05,350 --> 02:15:03,679
to say i i can go through my notes

3654
02:15:07,189 --> 02:15:05,360
i really didn't i didn't want to jump in

3655
02:15:09,430 --> 02:15:07,199
and comment too much i'll just go

3656
02:15:11,430 --> 02:15:09,440
through my notes quick really quick see

3657
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:11,440
if anything i could you know we started

3658
02:15:15,589 --> 02:15:13,360
out uap are real we need to determine if

3659
02:15:17,430 --> 02:15:15,599
they're a threat you know witnesses need

3660
02:15:19,990 --> 02:15:17,440
to be respected and not

3661
02:15:21,830 --> 02:15:20,000
looking at as cooks kooks

3662
02:15:23,589 --> 02:15:21,840
and follow the facts where they lead of

3663
02:15:25,910 --> 02:15:23,599
course when i whenever i see follow the

3664
02:15:27,910 --> 02:15:25,920
date or follow the facts

3665
02:15:29,430 --> 02:15:27,920
i immediately think of awesapp and

3666
02:15:31,750 --> 02:15:29,440
that's not what they're that's not what

3667
02:15:34,149 --> 02:15:31,760
they were referring to obviously

3668
02:15:36,790 --> 02:15:34,159
and twitter is going to be active all

3669
02:15:39,030 --> 02:15:36,800
day today yeah that you know alejandra

3670
02:15:41,109 --> 02:15:39,040
rojas that moltre and bray are unaware

3671
02:15:43,189 --> 02:15:41,119
of uap events at nuclear facilities is

3672
02:15:45,109 --> 02:15:43,199
concerning but because they are aware

3673
02:15:47,510 --> 02:15:45,119
you know they're aware seems to be the

3674
02:15:48,950 --> 02:15:47,520
most important issue at hand i agree how

3675
02:15:50,470 --> 02:15:48,960
can they ensure safety if they are

3676
02:15:52,870 --> 02:15:50,480
ignorant of the biggest threats and not

3677
02:15:54,550 --> 02:15:52,880
educating themselves on these matters

3678
02:15:56,069 --> 02:15:54,560
i think they do know i just think they

3679
02:15:57,990 --> 02:15:56,079
don't want to go there

3680
02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:58,000
um how could you not how could you be on

3681
02:16:03,189 --> 02:16:00,000
the uap task force and never not really

3682
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:03,199
know about those events

3683
02:16:11,830 --> 02:16:10,229
yeah i i know people don't like speaking

3684
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:11,840
but

3685
02:16:16,229 --> 02:16:13,599
it's it's not easy for me to follow

3686
02:16:18,310 --> 02:16:16,239
anything else right now so

3687
02:16:21,430 --> 02:16:18,320
just contact me on twitter and usually

3688
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:21,440
i'll see it and refer to who you are

3689
02:16:28,229 --> 02:16:26,870
see i think a lot of people are gonna be

3690
02:16:29,669 --> 02:16:28,239
it's gonna be a mixed bag but most of

3691
02:16:30,870 --> 02:16:29,679
the people are gonna be like gabby here

3692
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:30,880
saying there's nothing to say about

3693
02:16:36,870 --> 02:16:35,200
those hearings it was men in black

3694
02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:36,880
crap i don't want to say the word

3695
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:37,840
because

3696
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:39,840
i already have problems getting my

3697
02:16:42,790 --> 02:16:41,519
videos

3698
02:16:44,629 --> 02:16:42,800
um

3699
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:44,639
monetized with commercials they always

3700
02:16:54,549 --> 02:16:52,309
witchcraft is where the data leads

3701
02:16:57,190 --> 02:16:54,559
definitely there is definitely an

3702
02:16:59,509 --> 02:16:57,200
not esoteric but there's definitely a

3703
02:17:00,950 --> 02:16:59,519
a spooky i can't think of the word right

3704
02:17:01,990 --> 02:17:00,960
now but it's definitely

3705
02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:02,000
a lot

3706
02:17:05,910 --> 02:17:03,840
it'll be very hard for people to take if

3707
02:17:07,349 --> 02:17:05,920
we go down the road and it's

3708
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:07,359
more

3709
02:17:12,950 --> 02:17:10,240
poltergeist than

3710
02:17:14,790 --> 02:17:12,960
shadow beings and orbs which was part of

3711
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:14,800
what they found in ossep when they spent

3712
02:17:21,349 --> 02:17:19,750
they might not be officially aware

3713
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:21,359
talking about the nuclear incidents i

3714
02:17:24,389 --> 02:17:22,880
believe remember when lou kept saying

3715
02:17:27,429 --> 02:17:24,399
they mostly studied events starting in

3716
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:27,439
2004 true but you know how could you

3717
02:17:30,629 --> 02:17:29,040
that's true it's possible it's possible

3718
02:17:32,309 --> 02:17:30,639
they really don't know

3719
02:17:34,469 --> 02:17:32,319
um

3720
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:34,479
senor jesus says but they aren't allowed

3721
02:17:37,669 --> 02:17:35,760
to mention those yet i mean those are

3722
02:17:39,349 --> 02:17:37,679
the most sensitive incidents you tell

3723
02:17:41,270 --> 02:17:39,359
the american people yes we know that our

3724
02:17:43,990 --> 02:17:41,280
missiles have been turned on and turned

3725
02:17:46,790 --> 02:17:44,000
off by what appear to be ufos nothing

3726
02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:46,800
really to be worried about though

3727
02:17:50,870 --> 02:17:48,800
greg was a good contributor

3728
02:17:52,549 --> 02:17:50,880
i need more come on folks

3729
02:17:54,830 --> 02:17:52,559
i want to hear your views i want to hear

3730
02:17:56,870 --> 02:17:54,840
people have a

3731
02:17:58,389 --> 02:17:56,880
conversation yeah they'll have more

3732
02:17:59,349 --> 02:17:58,399
juicy tidbits in the close section i

3733
02:18:03,030 --> 02:17:59,359
wouldn't

3734
02:18:05,910 --> 02:18:03,040
more along the lines of

3735
02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:05,920
adversarial tech and you know drones i

3736
02:18:09,589 --> 02:18:08,080
don't think they're going to talk about

3737
02:18:11,429 --> 02:18:09,599
the stuff we want to hear in the closed

3738
02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:11,439
session except maybe they'll be able to

3739
02:18:14,549 --> 02:18:13,280
show more of those videos

3740
02:18:16,389 --> 02:18:14,559
you know i think

3741
02:18:18,230 --> 02:18:16,399
possibly

3742
02:18:20,469 --> 02:18:18,240
thanks joe or unless you were talking

3743
02:18:21,910 --> 02:18:20,479
about yourself

3744
02:18:24,309 --> 02:18:21,920
the only thing worth mentioning was how

3745
02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:24,319
particular

3746
02:18:27,910 --> 02:18:25,920
you know every time underwater objects

3747
02:18:29,509 --> 02:18:27,920
or events were were mentioned yeah they

3748
02:18:31,270 --> 02:18:29,519
didn't want to go there

3749
02:18:32,950 --> 02:18:31,280
um that's closed session of course they

3750
02:18:36,629 --> 02:18:32,960
could say yeah well those are our own

3751
02:18:43,030 --> 02:18:36,639
our own objects and our our own advanced

3752
02:18:46,549 --> 02:18:44,389
henry speaks the truth he knows what's

3753
02:18:48,549 --> 02:18:46,559
up with the phenomena i listen to him

3754
02:18:50,830 --> 02:18:48,559
i'm not a big william henry fan but i

3755
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:50,840
have seen him in the past at ufo

3756
02:18:55,910 --> 02:18:54,479
conferences and i see krn here but i

3757
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:55,920
cannot connect you because it says

3758
02:18:59,589 --> 02:18:57,519
device is not connected so i don't know

3759
02:19:01,830 --> 02:18:59,599
if you're using the wrong browser

3760
02:19:04,389 --> 02:19:01,840
um

3761
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:04,399
so yeah rogers says the juicy bits

3762
02:19:07,589 --> 02:19:05,599
behind closed doors that's what we're

3763
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:07,599
trying to get past exactly i mean there

3764
02:19:13,349 --> 02:19:09,679
are ways to get past to get past that i

3765
02:19:13,359 --> 02:19:18,070
but i have not seen any tweets from him

3766
02:19:18,080 --> 02:19:26,790
let's see

3767
02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:29,110
so tom rogers said that mike tom rogan

3768
02:19:32,309 --> 02:19:30,719
works for the washington examiner he

3769
02:19:34,070 --> 02:19:32,319
said mike gallagher hitting the third

3770
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:34,080
rail here moultrie says he's not aware

3771
02:19:39,270 --> 02:19:37,280
of any official or contractual programs

3772
02:19:41,509 --> 02:19:39,280
exactly what i was talking about it

3773
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:41,519
stood out related he spoke very

3774
02:19:44,709 --> 02:19:42,639
carefully

3775
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:44,719
uh contractual programs related to uap's

3776
02:19:49,429 --> 02:19:47,120
post blue book moultrie hedges that he's

3777
02:19:52,870 --> 02:19:49,439
speaking about official programs watch

3778
02:19:54,230 --> 02:19:52,880
this space yeah i mean

3779
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:54,240
and then

3780
02:19:59,270 --> 02:19:57,359
too it's possible that those programs

3781
02:20:01,750 --> 02:19:59,280
could intentionally be put into the

3782
02:20:03,750 --> 02:20:01,760
unofficial category to evade detection

3783
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:03,760
is it possible yeah of course i mean and

3784
02:20:07,110 --> 02:20:05,680
then they can they could plausible

3785
02:20:08,469 --> 02:20:07,120
deniability yeah i don't know about

3786
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:08,479
those i don't know about any official

3787
02:20:10,380 --> 02:20:10,000
programs

3788
02:20:12,230 --> 02:20:10,390
um

3789
02:20:13,750 --> 02:20:12,240
[Music]

3790
02:20:16,469 --> 02:20:13,760
tom rogan

3791
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:16,479
has has downplayed crash retrievals in

3792
02:20:19,270 --> 02:20:17,680
the past and

3793
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:19,280
i know he's not talking crash retrievals

3794
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:20,800
there are other programs that don't deal

3795
02:20:24,630 --> 02:20:22,240
with crash retrievals but for me it's

3796
02:20:26,550 --> 02:20:24,640
the it's the it's the holy grail because

3797
02:20:29,110 --> 02:20:26,560
retrievals of

3798
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:29,120
intact craft with bodies would be the

3799
02:20:34,309 --> 02:20:31,200
end of the debate

3800
02:20:37,670 --> 02:20:34,319
as far as something anomalous is here

3801
02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:39,429
i suspect future hearings if we get them

3802
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:41,280
hopefully we'll get them may have sean

3803
02:20:45,670 --> 02:20:43,520
kirkpatrick as a witness representing

3804
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:45,680
aoi msg to answer the questions of

3805
02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:47,520
congress and

3806
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:49,920
that person i asked a few people if they

3807
02:20:53,990 --> 02:20:52,720
thought he had the right clearances to

3808
02:20:55,830 --> 02:20:54,000
actually go around to different

3809
02:20:58,230 --> 02:20:55,840
government agencies and compel them to

3810
02:21:01,270 --> 02:20:58,240
give up their data the response back so

3811
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:01,280
far has been don't know or no response

3812
02:21:04,870 --> 02:21:03,280
so i don't know the guy may be great

3813
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:04,880
he's a physicist but if he doesn't have

3814
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:06,160
the pull

3815
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:08,160
if he doesn't have that

3816
02:21:11,670 --> 02:21:10,560
oomph to compel them to share data then

3817
02:21:12,870 --> 02:21:11,680
we're not going to get more they're not

3818
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:12,880
going to get more data and we're not

3819
02:21:17,830 --> 02:21:14,960
going to get more data so that remains

3820
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:17,840
to be seen but yeah he would be

3821
02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:19,680
i'll check it out i'll check it out paul

3822
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:25,030
see if you guys have any more questions

3823
02:21:29,030 --> 02:21:27,439
here

3824
02:21:31,190 --> 02:21:29,040
stanton is spinning so fast in his grade

3825
02:21:33,510 --> 02:21:31,200
we could use him

3826
02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:33,520
as some renewable energy source i think

3827
02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:35,120
stanton would have been

3828
02:21:38,309 --> 02:21:37,200
had his expectations in check and he

3829
02:21:39,750 --> 02:21:38,319
would have been

3830
02:21:42,070 --> 02:21:39,760
fine with this and he would have had

3831
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:42,080
problems with it as we all do

3832
02:21:51,910 --> 02:21:49,349
that's what i'm talking about that's

3833
02:21:53,510 --> 02:21:51,920
what i was saying inclusive

3834
02:21:55,110 --> 02:21:53,520
incisive questioning to dig into the

3835
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:55,120
meat of the subject and know the history

3836
02:21:58,790 --> 02:21:56,560
and know how they've operated in the

3837
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:58,800
past we let's face it we need lou up

3838
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:01,280
there we need blue up there

3839
02:22:05,110 --> 02:22:04,000
it would be the hearing of the century

3840
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:05,120
especially if they gave him a little

3841
02:22:09,429 --> 02:22:07,680
more room to speak and i think lou can

3842
02:22:11,429 --> 02:22:09,439
say more he has not because he has been

3843
02:22:12,630 --> 02:22:11,439
threatened by losing his security

3844
02:22:14,870 --> 02:22:12,640
clearance

3845
02:22:16,870 --> 02:22:14,880
so

3846
02:22:18,389 --> 02:22:16,880
he hasn't shared all that he can i think

3847
02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:18,399
a lot of that will be in the book it

3848
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:19,840
ain't over until there's a ufo in my

3849
02:22:25,030 --> 02:22:22,720
garage and a gray in the casket yeah

3850
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:25,040
that might not come apart around anytime

3851
02:22:28,630 --> 02:22:26,560
soon

3852
02:22:30,309 --> 02:22:28,640
senor

3853
02:22:32,150 --> 02:22:30,319
does anyone else find it odd that these

3854
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:32,160
beyond next generation technologies seem

3855
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:33,760
to be crashing here if they're so

3856
02:22:36,950 --> 02:22:35,280
advanced why are there so many

3857
02:22:38,950 --> 02:22:36,960
references to crashes

3858
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:38,960
well number one number one we don't even

3859
02:22:42,070 --> 02:22:41,040
know if it's technology and and i'll

3860
02:22:45,190 --> 02:22:42,080
explain

3861
02:22:46,230 --> 02:22:45,200
and i've talked about this on twitter

3862
02:22:51,510 --> 02:22:46,240
so

3863
02:22:56,070 --> 02:22:52,950
he talks about give me a second i just

3864
02:23:07,110 --> 02:22:56,080
gotta get a drink

3865
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:30,830
um

3866
02:23:36,950 --> 02:23:34,150
ugh he always gets me good ratings

3867
02:23:38,550 --> 02:23:36,960
cookie always gets me good ratings

3868
02:23:39,990 --> 02:23:38,560
right

3869
02:23:42,389 --> 02:23:40,000
he was not disappointed with that

3870
02:23:43,510 --> 02:23:42,399
hearing i'll tell you that

3871
02:23:45,030 --> 02:23:43,520
so anyway

3872
02:23:46,469 --> 02:23:45,040
it's not technology if you read john

3873
02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:46,479
keel he

3874
02:23:50,309 --> 02:23:48,720
one of his theories was whatever this is

3875
02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:50,319
can create things out of thin air

3876
02:23:53,670 --> 02:23:51,760
whatever technology you know it's not

3877
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:53,680
really technology just almost like

3878
02:23:59,590 --> 02:23:56,160
advanced 3d printing

3879
02:24:01,670 --> 02:23:59,600
um super duper um just instant manifest

3880
02:24:03,349 --> 02:24:01,680
manifesting so and there are people who

3881
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:03,359
reported seeing

3882
02:24:07,349 --> 02:24:05,200
inside these craft as they were flying

3883
02:24:09,510 --> 02:24:07,359
and there was really no technology to be

3884
02:24:10,910 --> 02:24:09,520
seen so it's like

3885
02:24:13,190 --> 02:24:10,920
it's created out of

3886
02:24:15,349 --> 02:24:13,200
electromagnetic energy it really isn't

3887
02:24:17,190 --> 02:24:15,359
technology that we can reverse engineer

3888
02:24:18,790 --> 02:24:17,200
we'll be wasting our time for decades

3889
02:24:20,150 --> 02:24:18,800
trying to do that and we'll never be

3890
02:24:22,230 --> 02:24:20,160
able to do it because it's really not

3891
02:24:23,429 --> 02:24:22,240
technology it's something to to to

3892
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:23,439
distract us

3893
02:24:26,550 --> 02:24:25,680
that's one of the theories um

3894
02:24:28,150 --> 02:24:26,560
make us think that they're

3895
02:24:30,550 --> 02:24:28,160
extraterrestrial when they're really not

3896
02:24:32,950 --> 02:24:30,560
they're terrestrial they're based here

3897
02:24:35,110 --> 02:24:32,960
um and also

3898
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:35,120
i don't know if they're vulnerable

3899
02:24:39,190 --> 02:24:36,800
certain technology maybe they we can

3900
02:24:40,630 --> 02:24:39,200
take them down don't know i mean lou has

3901
02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:40,640
alluded to that

3902
02:24:44,150 --> 02:24:43,840
emp electro like electromagnetic pulse

3903
02:24:45,510 --> 02:24:44,160
um

3904
02:24:46,790 --> 02:24:45,520
[Music]

3905
02:24:49,030 --> 02:24:46,800
i don't think there's been that many

3906
02:24:50,389 --> 02:24:49,040
crashes but a decent amount and who

3907
02:24:51,349 --> 02:24:50,399
knows maybe they're crashing our purpose

3908
02:24:52,550 --> 02:24:51,359
maybe they're trying to give us

3909
02:24:53,830 --> 02:24:52,560
technology maybe they're trying to

3910
02:24:55,750 --> 02:24:53,840
distract us maybe they're trying to

3911
02:24:57,270 --> 02:24:55,760
deceive us deceive us making us think

3912
02:24:59,110 --> 02:24:57,280
they're extraterrestrial there's so many

3913
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:59,120
possibilities so

3914
02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:01,680
if if there are ufos here i don't think

3915
02:25:04,630 --> 02:25:03,200
it's a stretch to think that some of

3916
02:25:06,950 --> 02:25:04,640
them may have either landed because

3917
02:25:09,750 --> 02:25:06,960
there are ex as eric davis has spoken

3918
02:25:11,670 --> 02:25:09,760
about landed technology or crashed for

3919
02:25:13,110 --> 02:25:11,680
me it's not that much of a stretch if

3920
02:25:14,309 --> 02:25:13,120
they're here they're not going to be

3921
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:14,319
perfect just because they're that

3922
02:25:20,950 --> 02:25:16,000
advanced doesn't mean they're 100

3923
02:25:25,830 --> 02:25:23,429
yeah i mean

3924
02:25:27,110 --> 02:25:25,840
did lonnie zamora see humanoids or did

3925
02:25:30,870 --> 02:25:27,120
whatever this tech whatever this

3926
02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:30,880
phenomena is uh in in print that

3927
02:25:34,710 --> 02:25:32,560
you know affect his

3928
02:25:35,910 --> 02:25:34,720
perception to make him think that he saw

3929
02:25:40,710 --> 02:25:35,920
beings

3930
02:25:42,150 --> 02:25:40,720
it's possible i mean

3931
02:25:44,070 --> 02:25:42,160
i mean i'm just throwing out other

3932
02:25:45,270 --> 02:25:44,080
possibilities that dr gary nolan has

3933
02:25:47,670 --> 02:25:45,280
talked about you know if they can

3934
02:25:49,429 --> 02:25:47,680
control what you see

3935
02:25:50,550 --> 02:25:49,439
then all bets are off it's very

3936
02:25:52,230 --> 02:25:50,560
difficult

3937
02:25:53,429 --> 02:25:52,240
to decide what we're dealing with or

3938
02:25:54,950 --> 02:25:53,439
figure out what we're dealing with

3939
02:25:56,710 --> 02:25:54,960
especially with abductions and i know

3940
02:25:58,710 --> 02:25:56,720
people have physical

3941
02:26:01,270 --> 02:25:58,720
ailments from abductions with marks and

3942
02:26:03,190 --> 02:26:01,280
scars um i mean i can i can go as far

3943
02:26:04,550 --> 02:26:03,200
and i know it's a stretch

3944
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:04,560
it's even to even talk about that with

3945
02:26:08,630 --> 02:26:06,880
some people but you know what if it

3946
02:26:10,870 --> 02:26:08,640
depends i we don't know the motive we

3947
02:26:13,270 --> 02:26:10,880
don't know what's going on am i against

3948
02:26:15,270 --> 02:26:13,280
abductions being a physical event in

3949
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:15,280
some cases no i'm not it's just it's

3950
02:26:18,469 --> 02:26:17,280
just really hard to prove that

3951
02:26:19,990 --> 02:26:18,479
um

3952
02:26:21,510 --> 02:26:20,000
i don't know how we'll ever prove that

3953
02:26:24,309 --> 02:26:21,520
and that's so far down the line after

3954
02:26:25,830 --> 02:26:24,319
what we heard today

3955
02:26:29,429 --> 02:26:25,840
you know eric davis has said all the

3956
02:26:31,990 --> 02:26:29,439
superpowers have had their crashes so

3957
02:26:35,590 --> 02:26:32,000
some people don't believe him

3958
02:26:38,950 --> 02:26:37,270
i do trust eric davis when he talks

3959
02:26:40,950 --> 02:26:38,960
about that stuff but i still want to see

3960
02:26:45,030 --> 02:26:40,960
that the craft for myself i want to see

3961
02:26:48,550 --> 02:26:46,790
ufos could have one foot in the material

3962
02:26:50,070 --> 02:26:48,560
world and one foot in the ether or

3963
02:26:53,190 --> 02:26:50,080
whatever you want to call it it's a bit

3964
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:53,200
of a bit of an as above so below type

3965
02:26:56,469 --> 02:26:55,359
deal i agree i mean

3966
02:26:58,469 --> 02:26:56,479
that's why it's like they're very

3967
02:27:01,110 --> 02:26:58,479
hesitant to call them flying objects i

3968
02:27:02,630 --> 02:27:01,120
mean because they don't even know

3969
02:27:04,389 --> 02:27:02,640
sometimes they're physical sometimes

3970
02:27:06,950 --> 02:27:04,399
they appear that they're not physical

3971
02:27:08,750 --> 02:27:06,960
it's very complicated that's why i don't

3972
02:27:10,870 --> 02:27:08,760
some of this i don't think is

3973
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:10,880
extraterrestrial then again if something

3974
02:27:15,349 --> 02:27:13,920
is that far advanced an extraterrestrial

3975
02:27:17,190 --> 02:27:15,359
race could come across as

3976
02:27:19,510 --> 02:27:17,200
interdimensional to us i mean and they

3977
02:27:21,030 --> 02:27:19,520
also could be using dimensions to travel

3978
02:27:22,469 --> 02:27:21,040
from another planet so it would just

3979
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:22,479
appear they're blinking in but they're

3980
02:27:26,630 --> 02:27:24,160
still from another planet it's so many

3981
02:27:28,150 --> 02:27:26,640
possibilities here

3982
02:27:30,469 --> 02:27:28,160
all right margaret you want to talk

3983
02:27:32,550 --> 02:27:30,479
about two faces on mars okay so tag me

3984
02:27:34,550 --> 02:27:32,560
on twitter i will look at it

3985
02:27:36,389 --> 02:27:34,560
um i've seen other

3986
02:27:39,030 --> 02:27:36,399
things on mars that are interesting so

3987
02:27:40,630 --> 02:27:39,040
just tag me on twitter

3988
02:27:42,870 --> 02:27:40,640
randlesham was not brought up i think

3989
02:27:45,750 --> 02:27:42,880
they wanted to focus yeah would have

3990
02:27:46,950 --> 02:27:45,760
been nice to bring that up but

3991
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:46,960
you know an hour and a half we thought

3992
02:27:49,830 --> 02:27:48,080
it was i thought it was going to be two

3993
02:27:51,429 --> 02:27:49,840
hours so

3994
02:27:52,790 --> 02:27:51,439
at least they bring that they brought up

3995
02:27:54,389 --> 02:27:52,800
the the tic tac and said it was

3996
02:27:56,070 --> 02:27:54,399
unexplained at least we have that which

3997
02:28:03,270 --> 02:27:56,080
was kind of nice

3998
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:04,870
yeah i mean see that's the positive

3999
02:28:09,910 --> 02:28:07,439
angle some people look at that

4000
02:28:12,150 --> 02:28:09,920
the video was not great but

4001
02:28:14,070 --> 02:28:12,160
they said it was unidentified

4002
02:28:17,270 --> 02:28:14,080
and it was fast so that was yeah that's

4003
02:28:18,389 --> 02:28:17,280
a positive way to look at that

4004
02:28:22,309 --> 02:28:18,399
i don't think that was the batman

4005
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:27,270
so

4006
02:28:34,950 --> 02:28:28,550
100

4007
02:28:37,830 --> 02:28:36,070
if you guys

4008
02:28:40,150 --> 02:28:37,840
comment on something that i commented on

4009
02:28:42,710 --> 02:28:40,160
just put it in your comment because i

4010
02:28:46,150 --> 02:28:42,720
i'm trying to keep track of all of them

4011
02:28:49,429 --> 02:28:46,160
yeah the 1952 you know battle of la was

4012
02:28:50,469 --> 02:28:49,439
it 1952 i mean that's a good one but

4013
02:28:53,590 --> 02:28:50,479
i didn't think they were going to go

4014
02:28:53,600 --> 02:28:59,349
42.

4015
02:29:03,750 --> 02:29:01,110
see

4016
02:29:04,870 --> 02:29:03,760
that's the best theory in my opinion

4017
02:29:06,309 --> 02:29:04,880
but i don't know what theory you're

4018
02:29:10,309 --> 02:29:06,319
referring to what did i say i can't

4019
02:29:14,630 --> 02:29:10,630
um

4020
02:29:18,389 --> 02:29:16,309
i will give out the

4021
02:29:19,590 --> 02:29:18,399
invite one more time how long have you

4022
02:29:21,190 --> 02:29:19,600
been going

4023
02:29:23,429 --> 02:29:21,200
two and a half hours

4024
02:29:25,510 --> 02:29:23,439
i am not tired

4025
02:29:31,510 --> 02:29:25,520
i was when i got up though it's a little

4026
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:33,429
yeah i would like to comment on your

4027
02:29:36,870 --> 02:29:35,520
guys comments but i'm not really i have

4028
02:29:38,150 --> 02:29:36,880
no context

4029
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:38,160
to what you're saying i might have

4030
02:29:41,520 --> 02:29:45,990
what else is on twitter

4031
02:29:51,670 --> 02:29:47,270
yeah let me get the comments while

4032
02:29:55,270 --> 02:29:53,349
well said joe interplanetary

4033
02:29:57,910 --> 02:29:55,280
civilization could be indistinguishable

4034
02:30:01,349 --> 02:29:57,920
from interdimensional i agree uh i

4035
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:01,359
subscribe to the physical craft idea

4036
02:30:05,510 --> 02:30:03,359
yeah it's like

4037
02:30:06,870 --> 02:30:05,520
it's a possibility and i have heard this

4038
02:30:09,510 --> 02:30:06,880
that we're dealing with so many

4039
02:30:11,030 --> 02:30:09,520
different different origins um whether

4040
02:30:13,469 --> 02:30:11,040
it's interdimensional

4041
02:30:16,389 --> 02:30:13,479
relatives of ours time travel

4042
02:30:18,630 --> 02:30:16,399
extraterrestrials bigfoot i mean

4043
02:30:21,190 --> 02:30:18,640
yeah bigfoot unfortunately

4044
02:30:22,950 --> 02:30:21,200
bigfoot is a part of close encounters

4045
02:30:25,110 --> 02:30:22,960
no matter if people want to admit it or

4046
02:30:27,510 --> 02:30:25,120
not as as much as that sucks from a

4047
02:30:30,230 --> 02:30:27,520
credibility standpoint people do report

4048
02:30:32,550 --> 02:30:30,240
ufos and poltergeist and bigfoot and

4049
02:30:34,230 --> 02:30:32,560
orbs and shadow beings when they have

4050
02:30:37,910 --> 02:30:34,240
close encounters for whatever reason i

4051
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:37,920
have no idea why that happens

4052
02:30:41,590 --> 02:30:39,760
i think this was a good stepping stone

4053
02:30:44,230 --> 02:30:41,600
for people

4054
02:30:45,750 --> 02:30:44,240
totally new to the subject mentioning a

4055
02:30:48,309 --> 02:30:45,760
blue book could lead you to special

4056
02:30:50,230 --> 02:30:48,319
report 14 which stan friedman always

4057
02:30:52,950 --> 02:30:50,240
spoke about reactor sightings and

4058
02:30:54,389 --> 02:30:52,960
hastings ufos and nukes and the tic tac

4059
02:30:56,230 --> 02:30:54,399
a lot of people still still do not know

4060
02:30:57,910 --> 02:30:56,240
about that that case

4061
02:30:59,830 --> 02:30:57,920
i think luis has another podcast

4062
02:31:01,750 --> 02:30:59,840
interview tomorrow yes yes calling all

4063
02:31:03,349 --> 02:31:01,760
beings so i'm sure he'll be giving his

4064
02:31:04,950 --> 02:31:03,359
thoughts on the hearing and i think

4065
02:31:06,710 --> 02:31:04,960
he'll just say you know i i told people

4066
02:31:08,389 --> 02:31:06,720
to lower their expectations it was a bit

4067
02:31:09,910 --> 02:31:08,399
disappointing but you know

4068
02:31:11,349 --> 02:31:09,920
this is the battle we have you know

4069
02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:11,359
they're gonna try to pass a lot of this

4070
02:31:14,230 --> 02:31:12,960
off as air clutter but you know they

4071
02:31:16,469 --> 02:31:14,240
gave a couple of you know these are

4072
02:31:18,389 --> 02:31:16,479
unknowns so we do have that

4073
02:31:23,590 --> 02:31:18,399
still it's frustrating i i don't blame

4074
02:31:28,349 --> 02:31:25,910
all right macaron you can email me at

4075
02:31:31,590 --> 02:31:28,359
ufojoe11

4076
02:31:33,750 --> 02:31:31,600
aol.com i'm also on twitter

4077
02:31:35,110 --> 02:31:33,760
here here is my twitter you can tag me

4078
02:31:38,550 --> 02:31:35,120
on twitter if you're not on twitter get

4079
02:31:41,190 --> 02:31:38,560
on twitter it's not that hard um

4080
02:31:43,429 --> 02:31:41,200
my twitter is

4081
02:31:44,389 --> 02:31:43,439
it's my website my blog that's my

4082
02:31:47,429 --> 02:31:44,399
twitter

4083
02:31:50,309 --> 02:31:49,110
i'm not trying to put my paypal up there

4084
02:31:52,070 --> 02:31:50,319
i'm just

4085
02:31:55,190 --> 02:31:52,080
saying that's my email which does

4086
02:31:59,190 --> 02:31:57,429
so more and more

4087
02:32:01,349 --> 02:31:59,200
i'm trying to i'd love more

4088
02:32:03,429 --> 02:32:01,359
conversations with somebody like greg

4089
02:32:05,349 --> 02:32:03,439
come on folks call in you can use your

4090
02:32:09,510 --> 02:32:05,359
audio

4091
02:32:12,950 --> 02:32:11,429
all the paranormal stuff comes after

4092
02:32:15,670 --> 02:32:12,960
verification yeah with the government

4093
02:32:17,270 --> 02:32:15,680
but with me you know obviously in us i

4094
02:32:22,630 --> 02:32:17,280
that's

4095
02:32:24,389 --> 02:32:22,640
um because there's an obvious connection

4096
02:32:27,910 --> 02:32:24,399
what it means i don't

4097
02:32:31,670 --> 02:32:29,750
yeah i don't focus too much on bigfoot i

4098
02:32:34,389 --> 02:32:31,680
mean i read jeffrey meldrum's book which

4099
02:32:36,870 --> 02:32:34,399
is a great great book scientific the

4100
02:32:38,790 --> 02:32:36,880
best you'll find on bigfoot

4101
02:32:40,790 --> 02:32:38,800
ron moorhood hat morwood has the best

4102
02:32:42,870 --> 02:32:40,800
alien evidence has actual sounds of

4103
02:32:44,630 --> 02:32:42,880
bigfoot look up the sierra sounds if you

4104
02:32:49,110 --> 02:32:44,640
haven't heard them about them i have not

4105
02:32:49,120 --> 02:32:51,750
let's see

4106
02:32:55,990 --> 02:32:53,830
yeah i mean the turkey video is

4107
02:32:57,750 --> 02:32:56,000
interesting but

4108
02:32:59,590 --> 02:32:57,760
and people are like those are beings in

4109
02:33:02,389 --> 02:32:59,600
the window maybe

4110
02:33:04,230 --> 02:33:02,399
maybe it's just not enough really

4111
02:33:06,389 --> 02:33:04,240
to really move the needle

4112
02:33:07,590 --> 02:33:06,399
we need something clear as day during

4113
02:33:08,870 --> 02:33:07,600
the day

4114
02:33:10,630 --> 02:33:08,880
you know

4115
02:33:11,910 --> 02:33:10,640
something that cannot be

4116
02:33:14,950 --> 02:33:11,920
dismissed

4117
02:33:16,870 --> 02:33:14,960
as advanced technology

4118
02:33:19,030 --> 02:33:16,880
and then we need bodies we need the

4119
02:33:20,790 --> 02:33:19,040
bodies do i think we have bodies i do

4120
02:33:23,110 --> 02:33:20,800
but as with all of this i need to see it

4121
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:23,120
for myself

4122
02:33:25,190 --> 02:33:24,240
i missed the beginning of the stream

4123
02:33:26,710 --> 02:33:25,200
what do you think about the fact that

4124
02:33:28,150 --> 02:33:26,720
wilson davis knows were mentioned at the

4125
02:33:30,150 --> 02:33:28,160
hearing

4126
02:33:32,790 --> 02:33:30,160
in my opinion it was a wow moment yeah

4127
02:33:34,710 --> 02:33:32,800
it takes a lot for me to say wow

4128
02:33:36,150 --> 02:33:34,720
that wasn't it because i don't know if

4129
02:33:37,590 --> 02:33:36,160
that guy just had a personal interest in

4130
02:33:39,590 --> 02:33:37,600
it or somebody said this is something

4131
02:33:41,030 --> 02:33:39,600
you should talk about i mean

4132
02:33:42,309 --> 02:33:41,040
you know they don't really know about it

4133
02:33:44,230 --> 02:33:42,319
so they

4134
02:33:46,150 --> 02:33:44,240
the fact that he got the documents into

4135
02:33:47,270 --> 02:33:46,160
the record is great

4136
02:33:48,710 --> 02:33:47,280
but

4137
02:33:50,950 --> 02:33:48,720
you know it's

4138
02:33:53,270 --> 02:33:50,960
it's gonna be forgotten about

4139
02:33:54,870 --> 02:33:53,280
so but at least i can reference it a

4140
02:33:55,910 --> 02:33:54,880
little bit now so it was brought up and

4141
02:34:01,510 --> 02:33:55,920
i

4142
02:34:07,910 --> 02:34:01,520
those folks who they were beforehand

4143
02:34:12,469 --> 02:34:10,150
gordon cooper's video would be amazing

4144
02:34:14,070 --> 02:34:12,479
you know he show he said it was a crap

4145
02:34:15,990 --> 02:34:14,080
that came down

4146
02:34:16,950 --> 02:34:16,000
landed on the desert floor had three

4147
02:34:19,750 --> 02:34:16,960
legs

4148
02:34:21,429 --> 02:34:19,760
gave left a little imprint sent the sent

4149
02:34:24,389 --> 02:34:21,439
the film off and it disappeared never

4150
02:34:27,590 --> 02:34:25,830
i'm still pissed about the lie about no

4151
02:34:29,190 --> 02:34:27,600
offset between

4152
02:34:30,950 --> 02:34:29,200
blue book and a tip yeah that's a that's

4153
02:34:32,389 --> 02:34:30,960
a good i totally forgot about that yeah

4154
02:34:34,550 --> 02:34:32,399
it's like

4155
02:34:36,950 --> 02:34:34,560
how do you not mention awesome but they

4156
02:34:38,630 --> 02:34:36,960
may be connecting the two i don't think

4157
02:34:39,830 --> 02:34:38,640
i don't know if they were purposely not

4158
02:34:43,349 --> 02:34:39,840
mentioning awesome they may be

4159
02:34:45,030 --> 02:34:43,359
connecting odds happen uh awesome atip

4160
02:34:47,030 --> 02:34:45,040
yes it was a program it was the program

4161
02:34:49,270 --> 02:34:47,040
that had the 22 million dollars all atip

4162
02:34:51,270 --> 02:34:49,280
did not have 22 million dollars lou says

4163
02:34:53,110 --> 02:34:51,280
they had funding i asked him about it i

4164
02:34:54,870 --> 02:34:53,120
asked if if that would be in his book he

4165
02:34:56,950 --> 02:34:54,880
said yes so let's see

4166
02:34:58,630 --> 02:34:56,960
how much funding they had and lou says

4167
02:35:00,150 --> 02:34:58,640
there are gonna be gonna be surprises in

4168
02:35:02,870 --> 02:35:00,160
his book that people are gonna be like

4169
02:35:05,110 --> 02:35:02,880
wow you slide dog really so i'm like

4170
02:35:08,950 --> 02:35:05,120
yeah i mean i'm open to that i wanna see

4171
02:35:13,030 --> 02:35:10,469
all right i don't really know what that

4172
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:13,040
means but

4173
02:35:16,389 --> 02:35:14,640
what now possession of bodies imply that

4174
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:16,399
this is a real physical objective

4175
02:35:20,150 --> 02:35:18,080
phenomena bodies to me eliminates the

4176
02:35:21,830 --> 02:35:20,160
holographic yeah ideas i don't think

4177
02:35:23,349 --> 02:35:21,840
it's holographic

4178
02:35:26,790 --> 02:35:23,359
um

4179
02:35:29,349 --> 02:35:26,800
i think what i'm talking about is

4180
02:35:31,110 --> 02:35:29,359
it can create something that at times

4181
02:35:32,630 --> 02:35:31,120
can become physical it's really hard to

4182
02:35:35,670 --> 02:35:32,640
explain

4183
02:35:37,830 --> 02:35:35,680
oh i did not i did not know that i did

4184
02:35:39,030 --> 02:35:37,840
not know that soon at noon oh i thought

4185
02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:39,040
you said

4186
02:35:43,590 --> 02:35:40,880
soon

4187
02:35:45,630 --> 02:35:43,600
noon yes yes that will be good thank you

4188
02:35:48,389 --> 02:35:45,640
very much for that jessica um

4189
02:35:49,990 --> 02:35:48,399
[Music]

4190
02:35:52,950 --> 02:35:50,000
there was an hour and a half video of

4191
02:35:57,270 --> 02:35:55,030
i don't know what that is

4192
02:35:59,349 --> 02:35:57,280
i get a feeling we are the aliens well

4193
02:36:00,230 --> 02:35:59,359
one of my favorite theories and it's

4194
02:36:01,429 --> 02:36:00,240
you know

4195
02:36:03,349 --> 02:36:01,439
there's some

4196
02:36:04,630 --> 02:36:03,359
anecdotal and remote viewing evidence

4197
02:36:07,510 --> 02:36:04,640
that we came

4198
02:36:09,910 --> 02:36:07,520
whatever we are came from another place

4199
02:36:12,070 --> 02:36:09,920
and mars would be one of those places so

4200
02:36:14,070 --> 02:36:12,080
we could be the aliens

4201
02:36:16,389 --> 02:36:14,080
i think one aspect of the hearing that

4202
02:36:18,230 --> 02:36:16,399
might have been some oh there's

4203
02:36:20,070 --> 02:36:18,240
see music and truth you want to call in

4204
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:20,080
but it says your device is not connected

4205
02:36:25,429 --> 02:36:22,720
so i don't know what's going on there um

4206
02:36:28,150 --> 02:36:25,439
if you're on the wrong

4207
02:36:29,429 --> 02:36:28,160
browser because i know chrome works

4208
02:36:30,790 --> 02:36:29,439
been somewhat overlooked as the

4209
02:36:32,630 --> 02:36:30,800
precedent that they are setting for

4210
02:36:36,950 --> 02:36:32,640
taking the topic seriously and with the

4211
02:36:38,630 --> 02:36:36,960
establishment of oh aoi msg

4212
02:36:41,750 --> 02:36:38,640
um

4213
02:36:43,270 --> 02:36:41,760
also they said the name will probably

4214
02:36:45,990 --> 02:36:43,280
change which a lot of people will be

4215
02:36:49,750 --> 02:36:47,990
i don't know if you have other

4216
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:49,760
messages coming

4217
02:36:55,830 --> 02:36:50,640
jeff

4218
02:36:59,590 --> 02:36:57,510
it's not just one phenomenon some people

4219
02:37:01,990 --> 02:36:59,600
think and i i've said this plenty of

4220
02:37:04,790 --> 02:37:02,000
times i asked somebody

4221
02:37:06,389 --> 02:37:04,800
um if they thought it was one phenomenon

4222
02:37:07,910 --> 02:37:06,399
one phenomena or multiple and they said

4223
02:37:08,630 --> 02:37:07,920
we don't know it's contradictory you

4224
02:37:10,309 --> 02:37:08,640
know

4225
02:37:12,230 --> 02:37:10,319
the evidence contradicts

4226
02:37:14,710 --> 02:37:12,240
itself and it's a show that was the

4227
02:37:16,830 --> 02:37:14,720
direct quote

4228
02:37:20,790 --> 02:37:16,840
i do not

4229
02:37:21,910 --> 02:37:20,800
know the admiral wilson

4230
02:37:24,950 --> 02:37:21,920
i think that's

4231
02:37:26,950 --> 02:37:24,960
yeah juliano's page

4232
02:37:28,630 --> 02:37:26,960
any clues on the date for lou's book no

4233
02:37:30,870 --> 02:37:28,640
i don't hopefully by christmas it would

4234
02:37:31,990 --> 02:37:30,880
be an amazing christmas present

4235
02:37:33,750 --> 02:37:32,000
it could be both physical and

4236
02:37:35,510 --> 02:37:33,760
non-physical alien bodies could just be

4237
02:37:37,750 --> 02:37:35,520
vessels for consciousness if you buy

4238
02:37:39,990 --> 02:37:37,760
into that i agree no options should be

4239
02:37:41,750 --> 02:37:40,000
off the table even though those are so

4240
02:37:42,870 --> 02:37:41,760
far beyond what we saw today with the

4241
02:37:45,670 --> 02:37:42,880
basics

4242
02:37:47,750 --> 02:37:45,680
all of us i think have thought about

4243
02:37:49,190 --> 02:37:47,760
you know possibilities like that

4244
02:37:51,429 --> 02:37:49,200
especially and i am into the

4245
02:37:54,469 --> 02:37:51,439
consciousness aspect of something

4246
02:37:56,070 --> 02:37:54,479
non-physical you know us surviving

4247
02:37:57,429 --> 02:37:56,080
bodily death would be consciousness

4248
02:37:59,510 --> 02:37:57,439
related because people are always like

4249
02:38:01,670 --> 02:37:59,520
what's consciousness and like

4250
02:38:02,710 --> 02:38:01,680
psychic abilities that's consciousness

4251
02:38:04,150 --> 02:38:02,720
life theft of death you know

4252
02:38:06,870 --> 02:38:04,160
reincarnation

4253
02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:06,880
but the possibility of that

4254
02:38:10,389 --> 02:38:08,160
my biggest problem with the et

4255
02:38:12,389 --> 02:38:10,399
hypothesis is the biological aspect of

4256
02:38:14,790 --> 02:38:12,399
things how are they surviving here with

4257
02:38:16,790 --> 02:38:14,800
our current sun exposure our gravity

4258
02:38:18,710 --> 02:38:16,800
probes drones are most likely that's

4259
02:38:21,349 --> 02:38:18,720
possible or

4260
02:38:23,349 --> 02:38:21,359
they have protection i don't know um

4261
02:38:24,469 --> 02:38:23,359
or they're from here that's why you have

4262
02:38:27,030 --> 02:38:24,479
a problem you know that's why so many

4263
02:38:32,150 --> 02:38:27,040
people don't think they're et

4264
02:38:35,990 --> 02:38:34,790
other planet is like earth i mean

4265
02:38:38,469 --> 02:38:36,000
i don't know what the chances are that

4266
02:38:40,830 --> 02:38:38,479
there's an exact replica of earth with

4267
02:38:45,590 --> 02:38:40,840
you know the same atmosphere

4268
02:38:48,790 --> 02:38:47,429
let's see i'm now looking forward to lou

4269
02:38:50,230 --> 02:38:48,800
on cnn

4270
02:38:52,150 --> 02:38:50,240
i think he'll be positive i don't think

4271
02:38:53,830 --> 02:38:52,160
he'll be too negative

4272
02:38:58,309 --> 02:38:53,840
would love to call in joe but officially

4273
02:39:00,230 --> 02:38:58,319
i'm at work just just talk quietly

4274
02:39:03,110 --> 02:39:00,240
keep up the great work though you are a

4275
02:39:05,510 --> 02:39:03,120
real weather vein for this whole thing

4276
02:39:08,070 --> 02:39:05,520
yeah i know from a weather vein speaking

4277
02:39:09,510 --> 02:39:08,080
of weather veins

4278
02:39:12,630 --> 02:39:09,520
when i was doing remote viewing it was

4279
02:39:15,190 --> 02:39:13,830
one of the targets i got had a

4280
02:39:16,950 --> 02:39:15,200
weathervane i actually wrote down the

4281
02:39:18,150 --> 02:39:16,960
word weathervane and pointed towards it

4282
02:39:19,750 --> 02:39:18,160
and then when i opened it up it was like

4283
02:39:21,590 --> 02:39:19,760
a weather vein was right in the middle

4284
02:39:23,270 --> 02:39:21,600
kind of cool

4285
02:39:28,230 --> 02:39:23,280
um

4286
02:39:29,590 --> 02:39:28,240
turkey video

4287
02:39:31,590 --> 02:39:29,600
was a boat

4288
02:39:34,150 --> 02:39:31,600
maybe

4289
02:39:36,150 --> 02:39:34,160
now you just destroyed all of the hopes

4290
02:39:37,190 --> 02:39:36,160
of people who thought there were grays

4291
02:39:39,270 --> 02:39:37,200
inside

4292
02:39:41,190 --> 02:39:39,280
the alien ufo i don't know what the

4293
02:39:43,190 --> 02:39:41,200
turkey video is it's fun to look at

4294
02:39:44,790 --> 02:39:43,200
there's absolutely no possible way to

4295
02:39:46,710 --> 02:39:44,800
figure it out that's why we need

4296
02:39:49,990 --> 02:39:46,720
something daylight

4297
02:39:56,230 --> 02:39:50,000
going to be people that are saying it's

4298
02:40:00,630 --> 02:39:58,309
people and now we're getting into more

4299
02:40:02,150 --> 02:40:00,640
consciousness people are also vessels

4300
02:40:04,150 --> 02:40:02,160
for consciousness it's enough to recall

4301
02:40:07,190 --> 02:40:04,160
the astral projection used for the

4302
02:40:10,630 --> 02:40:07,200
purposes of a remote view vision

4303
02:40:12,870 --> 02:40:10,640
i had this tape that a neurologist from

4304
02:40:14,870 --> 02:40:12,880
hawaii gave me who i met back in the ed

4305
02:40:16,870 --> 02:40:14,880
dames remote viewing group it was an

4306
02:40:18,950 --> 02:40:16,880
online message board and he gave me a

4307
02:40:19,990 --> 02:40:18,960
tape to help you get out of body and

4308
02:40:21,990 --> 02:40:20,000
it's supposed to get you to the

4309
02:40:23,429 --> 02:40:22,000
vibrational stage and it worked it got

4310
02:40:25,750 --> 02:40:23,439
me to the vibrational stage like the

4311
02:40:27,030 --> 02:40:25,760
first couple of times got i got scared i

4312
02:40:28,309 --> 02:40:27,040
stopped using it and then i lost the

4313
02:40:30,389 --> 02:40:28,319
tape and

4314
02:40:31,990 --> 02:40:30,399
i need to i mean he's in hawaii still i

4315
02:40:34,150 --> 02:40:32,000
just need to see if he has it because it

4316
02:40:35,830 --> 02:40:34,160
was the most it was the most effective

4317
02:40:37,190 --> 02:40:35,840
thing for me to get to that if you

4318
02:40:39,990 --> 02:40:37,200
believe in that

4319
02:40:42,230 --> 02:40:40,000
before you go out of body or your soul

4320
02:40:44,309 --> 02:40:42,240
can exit your physical body you have

4321
02:40:45,990 --> 02:40:44,319
this vibrational stage where you can't

4322
02:40:48,389 --> 02:40:46,000
move some people think it's sleep

4323
02:40:52,550 --> 02:40:48,399
paralysis but anyway i was able to get

4324
02:40:55,670 --> 02:40:54,070
why is it so hard to say yes or no to

4325
02:40:57,510 --> 02:40:55,680
questions and say due to safety of

4326
02:40:59,349 --> 02:40:57,520
personnel we can't say how we obtain the

4327
02:41:00,950 --> 02:40:59,359
info due to classified programs listen

4328
02:41:02,469 --> 02:41:00,960
there there there are ways for us to

4329
02:41:04,870 --> 02:41:02,479
show us better videos

4330
02:41:06,230 --> 02:41:04,880
the video they showed us as much as it's

4331
02:41:07,590 --> 02:41:06,240
great to hear them say it was

4332
02:41:09,030 --> 02:41:07,600
unidentified

4333
02:41:11,269 --> 02:41:09,040
it's a kind of an embarrassment if

4334
02:41:13,510 --> 02:41:11,279
that's the best you can show us without

4335
02:41:15,429 --> 02:41:13,520
giving away sources and methods come on

4336
02:41:16,630 --> 02:41:15,439
these guys are shooting video with their

4337
02:41:18,150 --> 02:41:16,640
cell phones

4338
02:41:22,230 --> 02:41:18,160
because they're seeing it you know like

4339
02:41:25,750 --> 02:41:24,150
and it's not a great video obviously my

4340
02:41:27,190 --> 02:41:25,760
favorite theory and the one that makes

4341
02:41:29,110 --> 02:41:27,200
the most sense to me is that they are

4342
02:41:31,590 --> 02:41:29,120
from here from a long time ago and that

4343
02:41:33,510 --> 02:41:31,600
may be the case i do not discount that

4344
02:41:36,710 --> 02:41:33,520
whatsoever

4345
02:41:40,870 --> 02:41:39,110
or they may be here

4346
02:41:42,710 --> 02:41:40,880
you know they may they be they may be

4347
02:41:44,550 --> 02:41:42,720
our relatives they may be just something

4348
02:41:45,830 --> 02:41:44,560
natural to this planet that are not

4349
02:41:48,309 --> 02:41:45,840
human

4350
02:41:49,670 --> 02:41:48,319
and we're below them on on the uh food

4351
02:41:51,190 --> 02:41:49,680
chain

4352
02:41:53,349 --> 02:41:51,200
uh which a lot of people would have a

4353
02:41:55,349 --> 02:41:53,359
hard time accepting especially if they

4354
02:41:57,990 --> 02:41:55,359
use us for certain things you know they

4355
02:42:00,630 --> 02:41:58,000
for their benefit a lot of people would

4356
02:42:07,429 --> 02:42:00,640
have a problem with that i think

4357
02:42:10,830 --> 02:42:08,950
just trying to see anything else from

4358
02:42:13,590 --> 02:42:10,840
you

4359
02:42:15,750 --> 02:42:13,600
guys yeah i mean

4360
02:42:18,230 --> 02:42:15,760
i don't even argue it i know people

4361
02:42:19,830 --> 02:42:18,240
don't think we have any psi abilities

4362
02:42:22,309 --> 02:42:19,840
which basically remote viewing takes

4363
02:42:24,070 --> 02:42:22,319
advantage of it's not the ability is

4364
02:42:25,750 --> 02:42:24,080
it's the same ability as psychic ability

4365
02:42:28,710 --> 02:42:25,760
it's the same whatever whatever we have

4366
02:42:30,469 --> 02:42:28,720
i don't argue it i have no doubt it's we

4367
02:42:32,870 --> 02:42:30,479
have that ability the question is can we

4368
02:42:35,269 --> 02:42:32,880
amplify it can we make it more accurate

4369
02:42:37,349 --> 02:42:35,279
and how does it work

4370
02:42:38,309 --> 02:42:37,359
he says and you can make some real basic

4371
02:42:42,469 --> 02:42:38,319
ex

4372
02:42:43,990 --> 02:42:42,479
would lead one to the knowledge that our

4373
02:42:46,150 --> 02:42:44,000
universe may is more way more

4374
02:42:47,590 --> 02:42:46,160
interesting yes and there's some data

4375
02:42:49,990 --> 02:42:47,600
that comes from remote viewing that's

4376
02:42:51,429 --> 02:42:50,000
amazing and controversial like you know

4377
02:42:53,990 --> 02:42:51,439
courtney brown and

4378
02:42:56,550 --> 02:42:54,000
the um farsight institute but unless you

4379
02:42:58,230 --> 02:42:56,560
get feedback it's just interesting data

4380
02:42:59,990 --> 02:42:58,240
it's there's no proof i mean you could

4381
02:43:02,230 --> 02:43:00,000
say yeah um

4382
02:43:03,750 --> 02:43:02,240
there are multiple et civilizations who

4383
02:43:05,830 --> 02:43:03,760
are here some of them want to help us

4384
02:43:06,950 --> 02:43:05,840
but they're waiting for us to reach out

4385
02:43:08,630 --> 02:43:06,960
and then there are other ones who take

4386
02:43:10,710 --> 02:43:08,640
advantage of us and the reptilians are

4387
02:43:12,389 --> 02:43:10,720
bad all of that i'll listen it's

4388
02:43:14,230 --> 02:43:12,399
interesting but

4389
02:43:15,510 --> 02:43:14,240
i don't know if that's true or not it

4390
02:43:16,389 --> 02:43:15,520
may be total

4391
02:43:18,469 --> 02:43:16,399
you know

4392
02:43:19,990 --> 02:43:18,479
just because three remote viewers come

4393
02:43:21,590 --> 02:43:20,000
up with the same data it doesn't mean

4394
02:43:23,670 --> 02:43:21,600
it's true

4395
02:43:26,790 --> 02:43:23,680
and we could we we had evidence of that

4396
02:43:28,870 --> 02:43:26,800
back when in 96 when all those all of

4397
02:43:31,750 --> 02:43:28,880
those remote viewers came up with

4398
02:43:34,150 --> 02:43:31,760
the the fact quote unquote that the hail

4399
02:43:34,950 --> 02:43:34,160
bop comet had a giant spaceship next to

4400
02:43:36,630 --> 02:43:34,960
it

4401
02:43:38,870 --> 02:43:36,640
yeah well then

4402
02:43:40,870 --> 02:43:38,880
people in in the

4403
02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:40,880
what was the cult haven't skate they

4404
02:43:44,309 --> 02:43:42,319
they all killed themselves because they

4405
02:43:53,670 --> 02:43:44,319
wanted their souls to hit your ride with

4406
02:44:01,750 --> 02:43:55,750
okay i will look on twitter

4407
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:04,150
psychics are not real if you ever go to

4408
02:44:07,190 --> 02:44:05,840
a psychic and you want to test if

4409
02:44:08,550 --> 02:44:07,200
they're able to come out and come up

4410
02:44:09,750 --> 02:44:08,560
with information this is what you need

4411
02:44:12,389 --> 02:44:09,760
to do

4412
02:44:13,830 --> 02:44:12,399
have the psychic turn their back on you

4413
02:44:15,349 --> 02:44:13,840
and let the psychic do all of the

4414
02:44:16,550 --> 02:44:15,359
talking this way they can't read your

4415
02:44:18,309 --> 02:44:16,560
body language they can't read your

4416
02:44:20,550 --> 02:44:18,319
facial expressions and they're not going

4417
02:44:21,750 --> 02:44:20,560
off of your information so just let them

4418
02:44:23,990 --> 02:44:21,760
speak

4419
02:44:26,070 --> 02:44:24,000
and then when it's over then ask your

4420
02:44:27,429 --> 02:44:26,080
questions and there are some psychics

4421
02:44:29,269 --> 02:44:27,439
who come up with information there's

4422
02:44:31,670 --> 02:44:29,279
absolutely no way they would know about

4423
02:44:33,269 --> 02:44:31,680
same with same with mediums

4424
02:44:34,870 --> 02:44:33,279
i'm just not convinced mediums are

4425
02:44:36,150 --> 02:44:34,880
talking to the dead but i'm convinced

4426
02:44:37,349 --> 02:44:36,160
some mediums can come up with

4427
02:44:39,349 --> 02:44:37,359
information

4428
02:44:41,510 --> 02:44:39,359
through something other than their five

4429
02:44:44,070 --> 02:44:41,520
senses

4430
02:44:46,070 --> 02:44:44,080
and my stomach is growling now

4431
02:44:48,150 --> 02:44:46,080
when there's more evidence more science

4432
02:44:50,070 --> 02:44:48,160
and evidence on secret skin walker ranch

4433
02:44:51,750 --> 02:44:50,080
than the uap congressional hearing that

4434
02:44:52,950 --> 02:44:51,760
says a lot about how much we're going to

4435
02:44:55,349 --> 02:44:52,960
be told

4436
02:44:56,870 --> 02:44:55,359
yeah i think as far as the hearing yes

4437
02:45:00,389 --> 02:44:56,880
as far as what kind of evidence they

4438
02:45:03,349 --> 02:45:00,399
actually have i think some of it

4439
02:45:08,870 --> 02:45:03,359
would change the conversation forever

4440
02:45:11,670 --> 02:45:10,389
i don't know what that means but i think

4441
02:45:18,150 --> 02:45:11,680
you're joking

4442
02:45:23,110 --> 02:45:20,230
yeah i don't know if is there audio of

4443
02:45:24,389 --> 02:45:23,120
that hearing um or a transcript it has

4444
02:45:26,230 --> 02:45:24,399
to be it was congressional it was a

4445
02:45:27,590 --> 02:45:26,240
congressional committee

4446
02:45:30,469 --> 02:45:27,600
um

4447
02:45:35,910 --> 02:45:33,510
i will give out the link one more time

4448
02:45:38,550 --> 02:45:35,920
i need to put it on twitter

4449
02:45:41,590 --> 02:45:38,560
because i tried before

4450
02:45:43,990 --> 02:45:41,600
and it did not work

4451
02:45:46,309 --> 02:45:44,000
so use that twitter

4452
02:45:48,309 --> 02:45:46,319
use that link if you last chance to call

4453
02:45:50,389 --> 02:45:48,319
in

4454
02:45:52,950 --> 02:45:50,399
and then i'm gonna take a break and get

4455
02:45:58,309 --> 02:45:52,960
ready for lou on cnn which will probably

4456
02:46:06,150 --> 02:46:01,670
i mean i do want i should go over

4457
02:46:06,160 --> 02:46:14,630
what did you think of the hearings

4458
02:46:18,150 --> 02:46:16,230
let's see if i can actually

4459
02:46:22,870 --> 02:46:18,160
put this up

4460
02:46:27,670 --> 02:46:25,269
so cnn has a

4461
02:46:29,110 --> 02:46:27,680
multi-part documentary coming up this

4462
02:46:30,790 --> 02:46:29,120
summer which i really can't wait to see

4463
02:46:32,389 --> 02:46:30,800
that one but

4464
02:46:34,389 --> 02:46:32,399
man i cannot

4465
02:46:36,790 --> 02:46:34,399
for some reason it won't let me tweet

4466
02:46:43,990 --> 02:46:36,800
that really

4467
02:46:48,309 --> 02:46:46,150
you know somebody

4468
02:46:50,710 --> 02:46:48,319
gave me a document related to jfk and

4469
02:46:53,750 --> 02:46:50,720
ufos it was just connecting

4470
02:46:55,830 --> 02:46:53,760
showing that the ufo jfk document was

4471
02:46:57,910 --> 02:46:55,840
actually legit and i i didn't go there i

4472
02:46:59,830 --> 02:46:57,920
just left it alone

4473
02:47:02,870 --> 02:46:59,840
if if let's just say for argument say

4474
02:47:05,030 --> 02:47:02,880
jfk wanted to reveal the secrets of

4475
02:47:06,550 --> 02:47:05,040
we were being visited is that enough to

4476
02:47:08,309 --> 02:47:06,560
kill him there may be people who thought

4477
02:47:09,990 --> 02:47:08,319
that secret was worth

4478
02:47:12,150 --> 02:47:10,000
you know killing somebody over i don't

4479
02:47:13,590 --> 02:47:12,160
know if if him his assassination was

4480
02:47:14,550 --> 02:47:13,600
related to that of course i've thought

4481
02:47:17,030 --> 02:47:14,560
about it

4482
02:47:18,309 --> 02:47:17,040
you know everybody has well i won't say

4483
02:47:20,230 --> 02:47:18,319
everybody but

4484
02:47:21,190 --> 02:47:20,240
people in this community have a lot of

4485
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:21,200
people have thought about that

4486
02:47:24,950 --> 02:47:23,040
possibility

4487
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:24,960
keep kicking grass joe as you know this

4488
02:47:28,070 --> 02:47:26,640
is a journey cheers folks thanks for

4489
02:47:30,070 --> 02:47:28,080
being here pics sorry if i missed some

4490
02:47:31,670 --> 02:47:30,080
of your questions or comments

4491
02:47:36,950 --> 02:47:31,680
um

4492
02:47:39,269 --> 02:47:38,150
you know they said follow the facts

4493
02:47:41,750 --> 02:47:39,279
where they lead

4494
02:47:43,510 --> 02:47:41,760
mentioned jeremy corbell

4495
02:47:45,510 --> 02:47:43,520
did not have to say corbel like the guy

4496
02:47:48,070 --> 02:47:45,520
like the lady last night on the news

4497
02:47:50,389 --> 02:47:48,080
where jeremy corrected her crawford said

4498
02:47:51,910 --> 02:47:50,399
was focused on chinese and russian hyper

4499
02:47:54,150 --> 02:47:51,920
sonic weapons

4500
02:47:57,190 --> 02:47:54,160
and mentioned foreign adversaries reduce

4501
02:47:59,990 --> 02:47:58,309
um

4502
02:48:01,190 --> 02:48:00,000
i talked about most of the most

4503
02:48:02,710 --> 02:48:01,200
interesting things i'm not going to go

4504
02:48:04,790 --> 02:48:02,720
over all my notes again i could i could

4505
02:48:06,469 --> 02:48:04,800
do that in a tweet thread

4506
02:48:15,510 --> 02:48:06,479
i need to make my notes better because i

4507
02:48:18,950 --> 02:48:16,950
tell us where do you think the crashed

4508
02:48:21,510 --> 02:48:18,960
ufos are in lockheed martin or the

4509
02:48:23,349 --> 02:48:21,520
department of energy or cia storages or

4510
02:48:24,870 --> 02:48:23,359
dod and how many ships do you think

4511
02:48:26,389 --> 02:48:24,880
crashed i don't know i don't know i

4512
02:48:28,870 --> 02:48:26,399
don't know i don't know

4513
02:48:30,790 --> 02:48:28,880
lockheed maybe in the past maybe not now

4514
02:48:32,630 --> 02:48:30,800
department of energy eric davis chimed

4515
02:48:34,070 --> 02:48:32,640
in and said no they don't have materials

4516
02:48:35,910 --> 02:48:34,080
they just do testing

4517
02:48:36,870 --> 02:48:35,920
and analysis when other folks bring them

4518
02:48:38,230 --> 02:48:36,880
stuff

4519
02:48:40,950 --> 02:48:38,240
that's what he said i have that

4520
02:48:43,110 --> 02:48:40,960
somewhere i've tweeted it before

4521
02:48:45,429 --> 02:48:43,120
um

4522
02:48:47,990 --> 02:48:45,439
caa in my opinion and from what i've

4523
02:48:49,670 --> 02:48:48,000
heard does definitely know about crash

4524
02:48:51,990 --> 02:48:49,680
retrievals

4525
02:48:52,870 --> 02:48:52,000
how many ships i don't know all i know

4526
02:48:55,510 --> 02:48:52,880
is

4527
02:48:57,429 --> 02:48:55,520
we allegedly allegedly have one intact

4528
02:48:59,269 --> 02:48:57,439
craft and we also

4529
02:49:01,750 --> 02:48:59,279
that crashed and allegedly have one that

4530
02:49:04,150 --> 02:49:01,760
landed that was kingman arizona i

4531
02:49:06,790 --> 02:49:04,160
tweeted about that um really good source

4532
02:49:09,349 --> 02:49:06,800
on that just one source

4533
02:49:11,590 --> 02:49:09,359
um so yeah

4534
02:49:13,429 --> 02:49:11,600
i can never say i know

4535
02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:13,439
i have strong

4536
02:49:19,910 --> 02:49:16,160
on admiral wilson documents

4537
02:49:23,030 --> 02:49:19,920
i i i as close as i can know to without

4538
02:49:25,269 --> 02:49:23,040
being there in 2002 they met and davis

4539
02:49:27,429 --> 02:49:25,279
interviewed admiral wilson beyond that

4540
02:49:28,790 --> 02:49:27,439
it's just a you know an educated opinion

4541
02:49:31,590 --> 02:49:28,800
based on reading

4542
02:49:33,190 --> 02:49:31,600
the notes and speaking to other people

4543
02:49:35,670 --> 02:49:33,200
you know the two people in the document

4544
02:49:37,349 --> 02:49:35,680
well it's admiral wilson eric davis and

4545
02:49:39,510 --> 02:49:37,359
will miller i'm friends with will miller

4546
02:49:41,910 --> 02:49:39,520
and eric davis and

4547
02:49:49,190 --> 02:49:43,269
like i said

4548
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:51,110
according to watergate attorney doug

4549
02:49:54,790 --> 02:49:52,800
caddy and e howard hunt's deathbed

4550
02:49:55,670 --> 02:49:54,800
confession yes i think that's talking

4551
02:49:56,790 --> 02:49:55,680
about

4552
02:49:58,150 --> 02:49:56,800
see i don't know i don't know what

4553
02:50:00,790 --> 02:49:58,160
you're talking about if you're talking

4554
02:50:02,469 --> 02:50:00,800
about jfk and ufos

4555
02:50:04,070 --> 02:50:02,479
i was joking about the alleged gods with

4556
02:50:05,590 --> 02:50:04,080
a little g tom de long that might be

4557
02:50:07,269 --> 02:50:05,600
around i think he mentioned something

4558
02:50:09,429 --> 02:50:07,279
similar to greek gods yeah he said they

4559
02:50:10,950 --> 02:50:09,439
wanted to put that in his book as an as

4560
02:50:12,550 --> 02:50:10,960
an addition you know something about the

4561
02:50:14,389 --> 02:50:12,560
greek gods were real

4562
02:50:15,910 --> 02:50:14,399
i i have no idea were they feeding him

4563
02:50:17,429 --> 02:50:15,920
misinformation i don't know how am i

4564
02:50:18,950 --> 02:50:17,439
supposed to even how are we supposed to

4565
02:50:23,510 --> 02:50:18,960
prove that

4566
02:50:26,710 --> 02:50:25,030
anyway i don't know if you can hear my

4567
02:50:28,150 --> 02:50:26,720
stomach growling but i'm i think i'm

4568
02:50:31,190 --> 02:50:28,160
going to end it here let's see if

4569
02:50:32,150 --> 02:50:31,200
anything else on twitter

4570
02:50:39,429 --> 02:50:32,160
let's

4571
02:50:42,950 --> 02:50:41,590
i just don't think we're anywhere near

4572
02:50:45,269 --> 02:50:42,960
discussing

4573
02:50:50,150 --> 02:50:45,279
the wilson document in a in a

4574
02:50:54,870 --> 02:50:53,349
i can't speak anymore substantive i'm

4575
02:50:58,870 --> 02:50:54,880
not saying it right i've lost the

4576
02:50:59,910 --> 02:50:58,880
ability to speak english um

4577
02:51:02,830 --> 02:50:59,920
yeah so

4578
02:51:04,870 --> 02:51:02,840
the signal has in the house i am

4579
02:51:06,230 --> 02:51:04,880
okay yeah i mean

4580
02:51:08,230 --> 02:51:06,240
it came up

4581
02:51:10,389 --> 02:51:08,240
i was surprised but i wasn't jumping up

4582
02:51:11,750 --> 02:51:10,399
and down i was smiling that somebody

4583
02:51:14,070 --> 02:51:11,760
brought it up but it's one person you

4584
02:51:15,590 --> 02:51:14,080
know if we had a hearing on that and we

4585
02:51:17,590 --> 02:51:15,600
brought in the folks who were in the

4586
02:51:19,670 --> 02:51:17,600
special access programs to talk about

4587
02:51:21,510 --> 02:51:19,680
their intact craft then i would be very

4588
02:51:24,389 --> 02:51:21,520
excited the fact that it was brought up

4589
02:51:25,990 --> 02:51:24,399
was really cool but i'm not going to be

4590
02:51:27,510 --> 02:51:26,000
you know spending the rest of my day

4591
02:51:29,110 --> 02:51:27,520
just jumping up and down because it was

4592
02:51:30,150 --> 02:51:29,120
brought up because those guys you know

4593
02:51:33,510 --> 02:51:30,160
they said they didn't know anything

4594
02:51:35,510 --> 02:51:33,520
about it um

4595
02:51:37,269 --> 02:51:35,520
so yeah signal it was nice to see it be

4596
02:51:38,790 --> 02:51:37,279
brought up thanks for the chat sorry for

4597
02:51:42,150 --> 02:51:38,800
my earlier french i don't even remember

4598
02:51:43,830 --> 02:51:42,160
what you said sorry no offense to you

4599
02:51:45,349 --> 02:51:43,840
once again i expected nothing and i am

4600
02:51:47,510 --> 02:51:45,359
still disappointed a lot of people are

4601
02:51:49,990 --> 02:51:47,520
going to be like you but to see

4602
02:51:51,429 --> 02:51:50,000
bob mcguire say that lou and melon

4603
02:51:53,750 --> 02:51:51,439
failed i mean give me a break there's

4604
02:51:55,590 --> 02:51:53,760
only so much they can do you can't force

4605
02:51:57,110 --> 02:51:55,600
this out

4606
02:51:59,269 --> 02:51:57,120
i mean i guess luke can always just

4607
02:52:01,269 --> 02:51:59,279
blurt out what he knows and it would be

4608
02:52:03,429 --> 02:52:01,279
covered and then forgotten about and he

4609
02:52:05,110 --> 02:52:03,439
might be in jail i love that it came up

4610
02:52:07,910 --> 02:52:05,120
wilson davis because suddenly more

4611
02:52:09,429 --> 02:52:07,920
people are going to read it i hope so um

4612
02:52:11,990 --> 02:52:09,439
i mean i'll send out links to my blog

4613
02:52:14,309 --> 02:52:12,000
again and julianna's work and

4614
02:52:16,389 --> 02:52:14,319
obj from project unity did great work

4615
02:52:17,269 --> 02:52:16,399
dolan did great work on that

4616
02:52:19,030 --> 02:52:17,279
um

4617
02:52:21,269 --> 02:52:19,040
the two people who think it's bogus or

4618
02:52:23,269 --> 02:52:21,279
john greenwald and tim mcmillan is more

4619
02:52:25,349 --> 02:52:23,279
reserved he said the meeting may have

4620
02:52:27,510 --> 02:52:25,359
taken place but the possibility remains

4621
02:52:29,510 --> 02:52:27,520
that admiral wilson and admiral wilson

4622
02:52:31,670 --> 02:52:29,520
imposter was in the car with eric davis

4623
02:52:33,349 --> 02:52:31,680
which

4624
02:52:36,870 --> 02:52:33,359
still makes me laugh but

4625
02:52:41,110 --> 02:52:38,469
and greenwald thinks it was a movie

4626
02:52:42,950 --> 02:52:41,120
script that eric davis wrote

4627
02:52:44,389 --> 02:52:42,960
at the time x-files had just gone off

4628
02:52:46,389 --> 02:52:44,399
the air and they were looking for new

4629
02:52:48,150 --> 02:52:46,399
shows so eric davis decided to try his

4630
02:52:50,550 --> 02:52:48,160
hand at writing movie scripts or tv

4631
02:52:53,030 --> 02:52:50,560
scripts which is preposterous but

4632
02:52:54,870 --> 02:52:53,040
whatever most people don't know about it

4633
02:52:57,910 --> 02:52:54,880
uh the people who have taken the time to

4634
02:52:59,750 --> 02:52:57,920
read it or mixed some people believe it

4635
02:53:01,830 --> 02:52:59,760
i have been fortunate enough to have

4636
02:53:04,389 --> 02:53:01,840
great sources on that the best of

4637
02:53:05,990 --> 02:53:04,399
anything i've ever looked into so yes

4638
02:53:08,150 --> 02:53:06,000
they're legitimate the question is did

4639
02:53:10,070 --> 02:53:08,160
admiral wilson tell davis the truth and

4640
02:53:11,990 --> 02:53:10,080
was admiral wilson told the truth from

4641
02:53:13,670 --> 02:53:12,000
the program manager when he went to go

4642
02:53:15,429 --> 02:53:13,680
visit this program that they would not

4643
02:53:19,190 --> 02:53:15,439
give him access to

4644
02:53:20,950 --> 02:53:19,200
yeah i agree lou and melon never failed

4645
02:53:23,190 --> 02:53:20,960
and nobody's failed it's just a pause

4646
02:53:24,710 --> 02:53:23,200
right now just lower your expectations

4647
02:53:26,309 --> 02:53:24,720
and just be patient it's going to take a

4648
02:53:28,550 --> 02:53:26,319
long time i mean when lou says five

4649
02:53:29,750 --> 02:53:28,560
years for bodies and he's not saying

4650
02:53:30,950 --> 02:53:29,760
literally we're going to get information

4651
02:53:33,030 --> 02:53:30,960
on bodies but he's like if you're

4652
02:53:34,950 --> 02:53:33,040
looking for information on bodies come

4653
02:53:36,389 --> 02:53:34,960
back in five years that's the timeline

4654
02:53:39,110 --> 02:53:36,399
we're on

4655
02:53:40,630 --> 02:53:39,120
slow it's slow

4656
02:53:42,389 --> 02:53:40,640
the behind door stuff is going to be a

4657
02:53:43,830 --> 02:53:42,399
disappointment too probably i don't

4658
02:53:45,990 --> 02:53:43,840
think it would be anything blockbuster

4659
02:53:47,990 --> 02:53:46,000
it'd be more just you know showing them

4660
02:53:49,349 --> 02:53:48,000
maybe some more videos but you know

4661
02:53:50,710 --> 02:53:49,359
these folks aren't totally brand new

4662
02:53:52,389 --> 02:53:50,720
this subject so i'm not sure what

4663
02:53:54,070 --> 02:53:52,399
they're going to be talking about

4664
02:53:56,070 --> 02:53:54,080
you know like schiff has had his

4665
02:53:58,550 --> 02:53:56,080
briefings before what did they get to

4666
02:53:59,830 --> 02:53:58,560
show him today

4667
02:54:01,830 --> 02:53:59,840
one thing we could take from the hearing

4668
02:54:04,170 --> 02:54:01,840
some of the questions involved events

4669
02:54:05,429 --> 02:54:04,180
that dates before 2004 so they

4670
02:54:07,190 --> 02:54:05,439
[Music]

4671
02:54:08,710 --> 02:54:07,200
actually have to dig deeper in past in

4672
02:54:10,630 --> 02:54:08,720
the past events eventually yes and

4673
02:54:12,309 --> 02:54:10,640
that's where supposedly there's like a

4674
02:54:13,830 --> 02:54:12,319
data warehouse that exists i'm not

4675
02:54:15,349 --> 02:54:13,840
talking i'm not talking about the ossap

4676
02:54:17,429 --> 02:54:15,359
data warehouse i'm talking about what

4677
02:54:21,269 --> 02:54:17,439
jeremy corbell has spoken about eric

4678
02:54:22,630 --> 02:54:21,279
davis has referenced it so yeah um

4679
02:54:25,269 --> 02:54:22,640
eventually that information is going to

4680
02:54:27,429 --> 02:54:25,279
come out the only question for me is how

4681
02:54:29,110 --> 02:54:27,439
old will i be when that comes out when

4682
02:54:30,950 --> 02:54:29,120
that comes information comes out you

4683
02:54:33,670 --> 02:54:30,960
know will i be alive i assume i'm going

4684
02:54:35,030 --> 02:54:33,680
to be alive for a lot of it

4685
02:54:36,950 --> 02:54:35,040
crash retrieval

4686
02:54:38,150 --> 02:54:36,960
you know trotting out the craft and the

4687
02:54:44,950 --> 02:54:38,160
bodies

4688
02:54:44,960 --> 02:54:52,710
i lost track of the dog damn it

4689
02:54:56,150 --> 02:54:54,150
slow for a reason we have to acclimate

4690
02:54:57,830 --> 02:54:56,160
people in the fact without them freaking

4691
02:55:01,670 --> 02:54:57,840
out slow and steady

4692
02:55:03,670 --> 02:55:01,680
i agree slow disclosure is fine but

4693
02:55:05,590 --> 02:55:03,680
this seemed a little glacial the pace

4694
02:55:08,710 --> 02:55:05,600
was like yeah

4695
02:55:15,190 --> 02:55:11,030
not fantastic but it's not going to ruin

4696
02:55:19,190 --> 02:55:16,950
52 years you've been following that's

4697
02:55:21,429 --> 02:55:19,200
amazing um

4698
02:55:22,309 --> 02:55:21,439
like i said i saw close encounters in 78

4699
02:55:28,150 --> 02:55:22,319
but

4700
02:55:30,790 --> 02:55:28,160
until really hardcore into 96.

4701
02:55:32,790 --> 02:55:30,800
and the 87 86 something around there i

4702
02:55:34,389 --> 02:55:32,800
read my first astral projection book but

4703
02:55:35,910 --> 02:55:34,399
i did not connect any of that to the

4704
02:55:39,590 --> 02:55:35,920
phenomenon i didn't even know what the

4705
02:55:43,349 --> 02:55:41,590
yep we've seen this before let's see if

4706
02:55:46,630 --> 02:55:43,359
we can take it to the next level as we

4707
02:55:50,309 --> 02:55:48,389
are they in closed session briefing

4708
02:55:52,389 --> 02:55:50,319
congress on new tech weapons i don't

4709
02:55:54,710 --> 02:55:52,399
think so because you know they said

4710
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:54,720
basically bray said they've all but

4711
02:55:59,110 --> 02:55:56,960
ruled out this being our technology so

4712
02:56:00,630 --> 02:55:59,120
if we're talking about uap

4713
02:56:02,550 --> 02:56:00,640
i don't think i mean there are new tech

4714
02:56:05,190 --> 02:56:02,560
weapons i'm sure but why bring that up

4715
02:56:07,590 --> 02:56:05,200
in a hearing about uap if you just said

4716
02:56:09,750 --> 02:56:07,600
that you know they've basically ruled

4717
02:56:10,950 --> 02:56:09,760
that out with these particular incidents

4718
02:56:13,349 --> 02:56:10,960
that doesn't mean we don't have new

4719
02:56:14,469 --> 02:56:13,359
technology otherwise you know in other

4720
02:56:16,790 --> 02:56:14,479
places

4721
02:56:18,230 --> 02:56:16,800
it just makes no sense for me me to me

4722
02:56:19,750 --> 02:56:18,240
for them to test it where everybody

4723
02:56:23,750 --> 02:56:19,760
could see it and if it crashes you're

4724
02:56:26,870 --> 02:56:25,269
yeah yeah a

4725
02:56:30,950 --> 02:56:26,880
friend of mine always talks about what

4726
02:56:33,030 --> 02:56:30,960
we're doing now is for our children so

4727
02:56:35,190 --> 02:56:33,040
hopefully that's not the case i think

4728
02:56:37,030 --> 02:56:35,200
we'll make progress quicker than that

4729
02:56:38,950 --> 02:56:37,040
but it's still going to take a while we

4730
02:56:40,389 --> 02:56:38,960
can hope that these and and my advice

4731
02:56:43,190 --> 02:56:40,399
would be just learn as much as you can

4732
02:56:45,030 --> 02:56:43,200
about this topic and for me that goes

4733
02:56:47,429 --> 02:56:45,040
into the more

4734
02:56:49,429 --> 02:56:47,439
related phenomena aspects to try to

4735
02:56:51,269 --> 02:56:49,439
figure this out and i don't think i can

4736
02:56:52,710 --> 02:56:51,279
figure anything out i can maybe

4737
02:56:54,389 --> 02:56:52,720
something will click in my head and i'll

4738
02:56:56,630 --> 02:56:54,399
suggest something that makes sense but

4739
02:56:58,230 --> 02:56:56,640
you know and i do enjoy the search

4740
02:56:59,830 --> 02:56:58,240
people are like well the reason you do

4741
02:57:01,590 --> 02:56:59,840
this because it's a mystery and once the

4742
02:57:03,349 --> 02:57:01,600
mystery is solved you'll lose interest

4743
02:57:04,309 --> 02:57:03,359
it depends maybe maybe they're right i

4744
02:57:06,309 --> 02:57:04,319
mean

4745
02:57:08,150 --> 02:57:06,319
you know as gary nolan said he'd be very

4746
02:57:09,830 --> 02:57:08,160
happy to go back to his regular life and

4747
02:57:11,670 --> 02:57:09,840
so would i i mean

4748
02:57:13,510 --> 02:57:11,680
i like doing this but it's it's hard to

4749
02:57:15,110 --> 02:57:13,520
do both live in the real world and then

4750
02:57:16,710 --> 02:57:15,120
do this because you always want to come

4751
02:57:18,309 --> 02:57:16,720
home and and get to the latest

4752
02:57:19,990 --> 02:57:18,319
information or educate yourself on

4753
02:57:21,750 --> 02:57:20,000
something from history and learn

4754
02:57:23,110 --> 02:57:21,760
something new there's always something

4755
02:57:24,389 --> 02:57:23,120
new to learn that's why i love about

4756
02:57:27,830 --> 02:57:24,399
this subject there's so many different

4757
02:57:31,030 --> 02:57:29,910
we hope we can hope that these hearings

4758
02:57:33,110 --> 02:57:31,040
gain some

4759
02:57:34,950 --> 02:57:33,120
mainstream media exposure at the very

4760
02:57:36,870 --> 02:57:34,960
least which might spur on further

4761
02:57:39,510 --> 02:57:36,880
discussion legitimize the topic to more

4762
02:57:41,750 --> 02:57:39,520
outlets 100 we need these journalists to

4763
02:57:44,150 --> 02:57:41,760
fight over the story that's the only way

4764
02:57:46,150 --> 02:57:44,160
in multiple mainstream outlets fighting

4765
02:57:47,510 --> 02:57:46,160
for the most information and 60 minutes

4766
02:57:49,429 --> 02:57:47,520
doing follow-ups is that's how we get

4767
02:57:51,429 --> 02:57:49,439
more information out investigative

4768
02:57:57,670 --> 02:57:51,439
reporters can get information they just

4769
02:58:02,469 --> 02:57:59,750
i'm 40 i expect to be in the retirement

4770
02:58:04,309 --> 02:58:02,479
age if the if it comes out yeah i don't

4771
02:58:06,950 --> 02:58:04,319
i don't know what retirement is i don't

4772
02:58:09,269 --> 02:58:06,960
have any retirement planned i can't

4773
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:09,279
retire i think my social security is

4774
02:58:14,309 --> 02:58:11,840
like so small because a lot of my jobs

4775
02:58:17,750 --> 02:58:15,670
i shouldn't say that a lot of my jobs

4776
02:58:19,830 --> 02:58:17,760
were through my corporation but i i do

4777
02:58:22,070 --> 02:58:19,840
not have as much social security as i

4778
02:58:24,710 --> 02:58:22,080
would hope so it may be able to pay part

4779
02:58:26,710 --> 02:58:24,720
of my rent maybe maybe a a low rent

4780
02:58:35,110 --> 02:58:26,720
place like 12 i think it's 1200 bucks a

4781
02:58:39,750 --> 02:58:38,150
after disclosure the real work begins it

4782
02:58:41,750 --> 02:58:39,760
depends on what you mean by disclosure

4783
02:58:44,950 --> 02:58:41,760
but if they if they admit and we have

4784
02:58:47,510 --> 02:58:44,960
100 evidence that these are not us then

4785
02:58:49,349 --> 02:58:47,520
yeah and then if we figure out who they

4786
02:58:50,790 --> 02:58:49,359
are we got to figure out how to work

4787
02:58:52,550 --> 02:58:50,800
with them we want to find out what their

4788
02:58:54,710 --> 02:58:52,560
intent is what do they what what their

4789
02:58:57,110 --> 02:58:54,720
intent is what they think of us

4790
02:59:00,630 --> 02:58:57,120
do they think of us as some lowly

4791
02:59:02,790 --> 02:59:00,640
unintelligent animal i mean

4792
02:59:05,670 --> 02:59:02,800
i don't know a link for cnn canada just

4793
02:59:07,590 --> 02:59:05,680
go on live stream google livestream cnn

4794
02:59:12,550 --> 02:59:07,600
you probably would will be able to find

4795
02:59:16,790 --> 02:59:14,710
so i'm gonna

4796
02:59:18,950 --> 02:59:16,800
yeah we need more people like ross you

4797
02:59:21,349 --> 02:59:18,960
know and people who have a background in

4798
02:59:23,110 --> 02:59:21,359
investigative journalism we have george

4799
02:59:25,429 --> 02:59:23,120
knapp but that's not enough

4800
02:59:26,710 --> 02:59:25,439
you know we need we need the people

4801
02:59:29,190 --> 02:59:26,720
at the wall street journal new york

4802
02:59:30,950 --> 02:59:29,200
times you know the regular people at the

4803
02:59:32,389 --> 02:59:30,960
new york times who

4804
02:59:34,230 --> 02:59:32,399
i'm not talking about leslie ralph and

4805
02:59:36,550 --> 02:59:34,240
helene cooper those folks just still

4806
02:59:38,790 --> 02:59:36,560
make not make fun of the ufo topic but

4807
02:59:42,070 --> 02:59:38,800
they they kind of disregard it in their

4808
02:59:43,990 --> 02:59:42,080
articles julian barnes talking about uh

4809
02:59:45,750 --> 02:59:44,000
avril haynes when she said you know

4810
02:59:47,269 --> 02:59:45,760
extraterrestrial he was saying well she

4811
02:59:48,630 --> 02:59:47,279
didn't mean extraterrestrial she meant

4812
02:59:50,309 --> 02:59:48,640
like um

4813
02:59:52,630 --> 02:59:50,319
she meant meteors and stuff like that

4814
02:59:54,150 --> 02:59:52,640
i'm like that's nonsense who who's your

4815
02:59:56,070 --> 02:59:54,160
source he never told us what his source

4816
02:59:58,070 --> 02:59:56,080
was for that he he responded to me on

4817
02:59:59,269 --> 02:59:58,080
twitter and said the reporting is

4818
03:00:00,790 --> 02:59:59,279
accurate i'm like

4819
03:00:03,030 --> 03:00:00,800
where'd you get it from is it is it an

4820
03:00:05,830 --> 03:00:03,040
anonymous source he wouldn't even say if

4821
03:00:08,630 --> 03:00:05,840
it was an anonymous source or you know a

4822
03:00:10,630 --> 03:00:08,640
dod source anything so

4823
03:00:14,469 --> 03:00:10,640
i'm sorry i do not trust him and i'm not

4824
03:00:19,750 --> 03:00:17,830
401 yeah

4825
03:00:20,630 --> 03:00:19,760
good luck to me on that i do not have

4826
03:00:24,070 --> 03:00:20,640
that

4827
03:00:26,710 --> 03:00:24,080
whatever i will figure it out i will i

4828
03:00:30,550 --> 03:00:26,720
will move to the moon if i have to

4829
03:00:30,560 --> 03:00:33,910
small apartment

4830
03:00:38,230 --> 03:00:36,309
in the airless atmosphere the airless

4831
03:00:41,110 --> 03:00:38,240
world of the moon now i'm rambling on

4832
03:00:44,630 --> 03:00:43,190
yep ross's book is excellent i

4833
03:00:46,230 --> 03:00:44,640
interviewed him on my channel you can

4834
03:00:49,110 --> 03:00:46,240
find that interview

4835
03:00:51,110 --> 03:00:49,120
i have massive notes on that book

4836
03:00:52,790 --> 03:00:51,120
i read it with the intention of also

4837
03:00:55,269 --> 03:00:52,800
interviewing him

4838
03:00:56,870 --> 03:00:55,279
and i and i met ross two years ago when

4839
03:00:58,550 --> 03:00:56,880
i was investigating the wilson davis

4840
03:00:59,429 --> 03:00:58,560
document and he helped he helped me a

4841
03:01:02,070 --> 03:00:59,439
lot

4842
03:01:03,910 --> 03:01:02,080
because during my blog writing i was

4843
03:01:06,309 --> 03:01:03,920
skeptical of it especially when wilson

4844
03:01:07,830 --> 03:01:06,319
came out with his last denial but i

4845
03:01:10,150 --> 03:01:07,840
learned a lot of stuff since then and

4846
03:01:12,710 --> 03:01:10,160
ross helped me along the way

4847
03:01:14,389 --> 03:01:12,720
um so yeah

4848
03:01:15,429 --> 03:01:14,399
ross's book you'll you'll enjoy ross's

4849
03:01:17,269 --> 03:01:15,439
book

4850
03:01:19,429 --> 03:01:17,279
but skinwalkers at the pentagon is

4851
03:01:21,590 --> 03:01:19,439
better because for me it opens the door

4852
03:01:24,150 --> 03:01:21,600
to what we might be dealing with at

4853
03:01:25,910 --> 03:01:24,160
least one aspect of it okay

4854
03:01:27,830 --> 03:01:25,920
i'm gonna eat something before cnn i

4855
03:01:29,349 --> 03:01:27,840
really appreciate you guys being here

4856
03:01:32,870 --> 03:01:29,359
because i know there was a lot of

4857
03:01:37,269 --> 03:01:34,630
and options for you

4858
03:01:40,630 --> 03:01:38,870
we had a decent a decent crowd here

4859
03:01:42,469 --> 03:01:40,640
probably some people who stumbled upon

4860
03:01:44,070 --> 03:01:42,479
it on youtube

4861
03:01:45,269 --> 03:01:44,080
who didn't even who don't even know who

4862
03:01:46,230 --> 03:01:45,279
i am

4863
03:01:49,910 --> 03:01:46,240
um

4864
03:01:53,750 --> 03:01:50,710
the

4865
03:01:56,710 --> 03:01:53,760
uncle ufo joe

4866
03:01:58,950 --> 03:01:56,720
yeah thanks jeff thanks everybody else

4867
03:02:01,510 --> 03:01:58,960
um

4868
03:02:03,510 --> 03:02:01,520
sorry it wasn't exciting i will try to

4869
03:02:04,630 --> 03:02:03,520
see if i get any feedback on any of this

4870
03:02:06,550 --> 03:02:04,640
and

4871
03:02:08,950 --> 03:02:06,560
especially if kirkpatrick turns out to

4872
03:02:10,389 --> 03:02:08,960
be the guy we really need leading

4873
03:02:13,750 --> 03:02:10,399
the astro

4874
03:02:15,510 --> 03:02:13,760
just change it back to astro very simple

4875
03:02:17,429 --> 03:02:15,520
it's funny that they brought up the name

4876
03:02:19,910 --> 03:02:17,439
it's like is that a public relations

4877
03:02:21,990 --> 03:02:19,920
thing to calm us down not that i really

4878
03:02:24,950 --> 03:02:22,000
personally don't care about the name but

4879
03:02:27,590 --> 03:02:24,960
you know astro's fine

4880
03:02:29,429 --> 03:02:27,600
all right i will see you guys the next

4881
03:02:31,429 --> 03:02:29,439
time which i don't know when that will

4882
03:02:34,150 --> 03:02:31,439
be

4883
03:02:37,030 --> 03:02:34,160
and i appreciate

4884
03:02:40,710 --> 03:02:37,040
the support and the comments and

4885
03:02:44,309 --> 03:02:42,150
and i'll see you on twitter if you're

4886
03:02:45,990 --> 03:02:44,319
not on twitter just force yourself to go

4887
03:02:47,670 --> 03:02:46,000
on and just follow me i mean there are

4888
03:02:50,230 --> 03:02:47,680
other great people to follow but i know

4889
03:02:51,990 --> 03:02:50,240
people think twitter is a nightmare in a

4890
03:02:54,389 --> 03:02:52,000
minefield and it's really not that bad i

4891
03:02:57,349 --> 03:02:54,399
mean you have skeptics who in my opinion

4892
03:03:02,309 --> 03:02:59,990
being honest with themselves like i

4893
03:03:03,750 --> 03:03:02,319
don't even want to mention names

4894
03:03:05,830 --> 03:03:03,760
but

4895
03:03:07,349 --> 03:03:05,840
i just disagree with them and they're

4896
03:03:09,269 --> 03:03:07,359
just trying to tear down this effort and

4897
03:03:10,710 --> 03:03:09,279
i really don't want to go there but even

4898
03:03:12,950 --> 03:03:10,720
then

4899
03:03:14,870 --> 03:03:12,960
somebody's saying something

4900
03:03:16,389 --> 03:03:14,880
shouldn't that you don't agree with even

4901
03:03:17,910 --> 03:03:16,399
if you totally disagree with them should

4902
03:03:20,389 --> 03:03:17,920
not keep you from being on twitter i

4903
03:03:22,389 --> 03:03:20,399
mean there are some trolls but

4904
03:03:24,309 --> 03:03:22,399
it's really not that bad i mean people

4905
03:03:25,830 --> 03:03:24,319
make it out to be horrible

4906
03:03:28,469 --> 03:03:25,840
there's some things that i you know

4907
03:03:30,230 --> 03:03:28,479
yesterday that was said and

4908
03:03:32,389 --> 03:03:30,240
it bothers people but you should go on

4909
03:03:34,150 --> 03:03:32,399
there follow you can you'll if you start

4910
03:03:35,429 --> 03:03:34,160
following me you'll see you it's pretty

4911
03:03:37,429 --> 03:03:35,439
easy

4912
03:03:40,389 --> 03:03:37,439
who you want to follow between lou

4913
03:03:42,070 --> 03:03:40,399
mellon ross coltar george knapp corbell

4914
03:03:43,910 --> 03:03:42,080
other folks friends of mine like the

4915
03:03:44,950 --> 03:03:43,920
list is long

4916
03:03:47,349 --> 03:03:44,960
um

4917
03:03:49,510 --> 03:03:47,359
so yeah

4918
03:03:51,349 --> 03:03:49,520
twitter is worth it i'm so glad i

4919
03:03:52,950 --> 03:03:51,359
focused on twitter and not facebook no

4920
03:03:54,950 --> 03:03:52,960
offense to my friends on facebook but i

4921
03:03:56,230 --> 03:03:54,960
just saw twitter as a more open way of

4922
03:03:57,830 --> 03:03:56,240
communicating with people and it's

4923
03:04:00,070 --> 03:03:57,840
really becoming popular and i hope if

4924
03:04:02,469 --> 03:04:00,080
elon musk does follow through on his

4925
03:04:04,630 --> 03:04:02,479
purchase that he can make it better i

4926
03:04:06,389 --> 03:04:04,640
mean i don't care who he brings back if

4927
03:04:08,150 --> 03:04:06,399
there are people that are spouting stuff

4928
03:04:10,710 --> 03:04:08,160
that really bothers me i can always mute

4929
03:04:11,750 --> 03:04:10,720
them it's not that big of a deal

4930
03:04:13,269 --> 03:04:11,760
all right

4931
03:04:14,870 --> 03:04:13,279
roger

4932
03:04:17,349 --> 03:04:14,880
thanks guys again

4933
03:04:19,990 --> 03:04:17,359
look forward to dulu being on

4934
03:04:23,429 --> 03:04:20,000
cnn in 10